VMRO DPMNE Lobbies for Name Compromise

Is there any evidence for this? To me it sounds like speculations, lies, propaganda...again.

This is the moment of truth for all. We have to live not only side by side but together. We share a common past under Byzantine empire and Ottoman rule that proved more important for our current identities than any kind of "antiquization". Macedonia-Makedonia-Makedonija will always divide and unite us.

As long as the sun is shining, Macedonia will live. There is no dispute - there can be no resolution.

Smoke and Mirrors

Hey for me to see what I only heard is priceless! Illyrians lost almost every thing becuse of name changing. Thanks Greece and Europe for bringing the past to life. Oh I'm dardanian Illyrian and we just got are land back. but because of Europe and the west we are not alowed to change the name back cause it would mean that not all Illyrian tribe were albanoi. Get it? So if you could hold on to the name, as a dardanian I say no compromise!! Cause you just might end up like the Illyrians! Fractured and displaced in your own backyards. An if greece had it's way they just might say because Macedonia exsits in greece then your Macedonia is there's and that you are Greek. So stay strong and learn what happen to the Illyrians can happen to you.

How could a nation that immigrated from Bulgaria could be known as Macedonians?. There are 2.5 million Macedonians that claim to be Greek double the size of FYROM. Greece have every rights protect its history and culture. NO TO FYROM USING THE NAME MACEDONIA.

Objectively, there is no other solution than a compromise. VMRO tried the bullying tactics "you will accept what we want cause the great G.W.Bush says so" and it did not work. The greek side has stood firm and countered with a clever move, which is actually the only way: A compromise name, moving from its initial "no macedonia in the name". position. This, and one name for all uses is the best deal VMRO can get. Because greek Macedonians are more than slav macedonians, greek macedonia is much bigger and last but not least because of the history. The problem now is clearly with VMRO: They will reap what they have planted. They planted fanaticism and an outright stupid position(such as links to ancient Macedonia) and have worked hard to sell that crap to their voters. Now they will have to unsell it and it will be very hard. The alternative is to take the blame for the failure and have the rest of their foreign supporters turn their back on them. I doubt Greece will be loosing any sleep over whether North Macedonia enters NATO and the EU or not.

The simple fact is due to the higher birth rates in Macedonia's Albanian community that the Albanians will be 51% of the population sooner than most people are willing to admit. The Ethnic Macedonians can continue to waste years arguing over the addition of "Northern" to Macedonia or wait and accept whatever the Albanians will impose in 15 years time. The Macedonians should wake up to the fact that this silliness has gone on long enough - accept "Northern Macedonia" and get on with creating a future for children - otherwise start getting them to learn Albanian, because that will be the future official language anyway. While the Greeks certainly cannot show how "European" they have behaved over this issue the fact is they are "in the club" and are in the best position to negotiate. The fact that they will tolerate the word Macedonia being used at all should make this an acceptable solution to an absurd situation.

At first they call for a referendum and then ask the hard liners to soften up? What's the point if they're having a referendum? Anyway, no Greek trusts lame duck Gruev and he's about to get steam rolled from all quarters, EU, US, Albanians, Bulgaria, even Austria now? Time to face the music Gruev. Is this guy an agent of Greece? Do people of FYROM even trust him?

REPUBLIC OF NORTH MACEDONIA FOR ALL INTERNATIONAL USES. CITIZENSHIP OF NORTH MACEDONIA IN ALL PASSPORTS. MATTER CLOSED.

The people of Slav background in the Macedonian region who's language arrives from the Slavic dialect. Change the Constitutional Name to 'Slavo-Macedonian' for the Ethnic identity and language. Together the Ethnic Slavo-Macedonians, Ethnic Albanians & other smaller ethnic groups will be recognised as 'North Macedonians' living in the country of the 'Republic of North Macedonia'.

I’m struggling to see how the name change Greece pushing for will end up safeguarding its territorial integrity. Say the Rep. of Macedonia does end up changing its name to Northern Macedonia, doesn’t this provide a convenient background for Macedonian irredentism? After all, the new name is suggestive of unfinished business – if there is a Northern Macedonia, then this implies there must be another part belonging to it somewhere to the south. Doesn’t this lay the foundations for ‘reunification’ at some point in the future a la East and West Germany, North and South Vietnam, etc.? If we are to believe that the name of a country can pose such a tangible threat to Greece’s territorial integrity, logic alone would suggest that the status quo name is less dangerous, wouldn't it? But of course this ‘name dispute’ isn’t about the protection of Greece’s territorial integrity. It’s about the aggressive assertion of its national identity, which it has been doing through the deprecation and negation of a neighbouring nation’s identity. Through some flawed logic, Greece seems to think that by forcing the name ‘Northern Macedonia’ onto a sovereign state, this state’s citizens will somehow be considered lesser Macedonians and Greeks will be perceived by the world as the rightful heirs to the name and anything associated with it. But even then, the name change won’t make much difference. Ethnic Macedonians will still call themselves Macedonians and will still be considered by the rest of the world as Macedonians even if their state is called Northern Macedonia, in the same way Germans, Vietnamese, Koreans, etc., have held on to their respective ethnic names despite the names of their states changing throughout history. What's more, ethnic Macedonians in northern Greece will continue to campaign for the right to express their language and culture qua Macedonians, and an insecure Greek state will still feel the need to silence and harass them to uphold the delusion that all things Macedonian must be Greek. This dispute has been crippling for citizens of the Republic of Macedonia, a situation that many Greeks have no doubt rejoiced in. But in a way it has also done Greece a disservice because the dispute has been a great platform for marketing the Macedonian identity and exposing to a wider audience the absurdity of what Greece is doing.

Everything is in a name. Who you were, who you are and who you will be. It is our god given birth right to be Macedonians, no state or person can change this. Macedonians have been at the center of Balkan genocide for years and no one carred or cares. Why should we change our name and who we are. What are the Greeks afraid. They are afraid of nothing. Europe divided us, thought we would dissapear and go away. We did not. We are here, we will always be here. We do not EU or NATO. For the members of these organizations help to sepaerate, denatnationalize, and eradicate the word Macedonia from exsistance. Macedonia for the Macedonians.

The Albanians are now seeking federalisation of Skopje since they have not shown any willingness to comprise. It looks like our dear Slavs of Vadar should have accepted North Macedonia while they still had a chance. Game Over The Star is falling

The Albanians are now seeking federalisation of Skopje since they have not shown any willingness to comprise. It looks like our dear Slavs of Vadar should have accepted North Macedonia while they still had a chance. Game Over The Star is falling

EXAMPLE OF A COMPROMISE IN FYROM'S CONSTITUTION The Parliament of the Republic of North Macedonia Constitution of the Republic of North Macedonia Preamble The citizens of the Republic of North Macedonia, the Slavo-Macedonian people, as well as citizens living within its borders who are part of the Albanian people, the Turkish people, the Vlach people, the Serbian people, the Romany people, the Bosniac people and others taking responsibility for the present and future of their fatherland, aware of and grateful to their predecessors for their sacrifice and dedication in their endeavours and struggle to create an independent and sovereign state of North Macedonia, and responsible to future generations to preserve and develop everything that is valuable from the rich cultural inheritance and coexistence within North Macedonia, equal in rights and obligations towards the common good - the Republic of North Macedonia - in accordance with the tradition of the Krushevo Republic and the decisions of the Antifascist People's Liberation Assembly of North Macedonia, and the Referendum of September 8, 1991, have decided to establish the Republic of North Macedonia as an independent, sovereign state, with the intention of establishing and consolidating the rule of law, guaranteeing human rights and civil liberties, providing peace and coexistence, social justice, economic well-being and prosperity in the life of the individual and the community, and, in this regard, through their representatives in the Assembly of the Republic of North Macedonia, elected in free and democratic elections, adopt . . . the Constitution of the Republic of Macedonia I. Basic Provisions ………… Article 7 (1) The Slavo-Macedonian language, written using its Cyrillic alphabet, is the official language throughout the Republic of North Macedonia and in the international relations of the Republic of North Macedonia. (2) Any other language spoken by at least 20 percent of the population is also an official language, written using its alphabet, as specified below. (3) Any official personal documents of citizens speaking an official language other than Slavo-Macedonian shall also be issued in that language, in addition to the Slavo-Macedonian language, in accordance with the law. (4) Any person living in a unit of local self-government in which at least 20 percent of the population speaks an official language other than Slavo-Macedonian may use that official language to communicate with the regional office of the central government with responsibility for that municipality; such an office shall reply in that language in addition to Slavo-Macedonian. Any person may use any official language to communicate with a main office of the central government, which shall reply in that language in addition to Slavo-Macedonian. (5) In the organs of the Republic of North Macedonia, any official language other than Slavo-Macedonian may be used in accordance with the law. (6) In the units of local self-government where at least 20 percent of the population speaks a particular language, that language and its alphabet shall be used as an official language in addition to the Slavo-Macedonian language and the Cyrillic alphabet. With respect to languages spoken by less than 20 percent of the population of a unit of local self-government, the local authorities shall decide on their use in public bodies. Article 19 (1) The freedom of religious confession is guaranteed. (2) The right to express one's faith freely and publicly, individually or with others is guaranteed. (3) The Slavo-Macedonian Orthodox Church, as well as the Islamic Religious Community in North Macedonia, the Catholic Church, Evangelical Methodist Church, the Jewish Community and other Religious communities and groups are separate from the state and equal before the law. (4) The Slavo-Macedonian Orthodox Church, as well as the Islamic Religious Community in North Macedonia, the Catholic Church, Evangelical Methodist Church, the Jewish Community and other Religious communities and groups are free to establish schools and other social and charitable institutions, by way of a procedure regulated by law. Article 78 (1) The Assembly shall establish a Committee for Inter-Community Relations. (2) The Committee consists of 19 members of whom 7 members each are from the ranks of the Slavo-Macedonians and Albanians within the Assembly, and a member each from among the Turks, Vlachs, Romas, Serbs and Bosniaks. If one of the communities does not have representatives, the Public Attorney, after consultation with relevant representatives of those communities, shall propose the remaining members of the Committee. (3) The Assembly elects the members of the Committee. (4) The Committee considers issues of inter-community relations in the Republic and makes appraisals and proposals for their solution. (5) The Assembly is obliged to take into consideration the appraisals and proposals of the Committee and to make decisions regarding them. (6) In the event of a dispute among members of the Assembly regarding the application of the voting procedure specified in Article 69(2), the Committee shall decide by a majority vote whether the procedure applies.

Just end the issue so that your nation may prosper and live in peace and unity. You are not Macedonians of the ancient tribe. You do not speak a Macedonian language but rather a Bulgarian language, you are of a slavic race with a major Albanian population and other minor ethnicities, of the Orthodox faith, only occupy a portion of proper ancient Macedonia. So why is it so hard to realize these things and simply accept them and be proud of what you have and identify yourselves with what you actually are and not what you want to be. Slav Macedonian, Northern Macedonian, Vardaskans or somewhere in those lines are an acceptable reality to you and your neighbours and not

This should speak for itself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDRQtwS7TEI

I'm all for that: Macedonia for Macedonians(the real ones). North Macedonia for North Macedonians

Why can't you just accept being Greek..instead of being Cretan..and God know's you're not the "True" Cretan's(They were Minoans) although you occupy Crete. Why can't you just be Greek in Cyprus instead of Cypriot? Ooops that one didn't fly with the Cypriot Turks during the Enosis with Greece. It's weird how somethings work out..they must have figured that it was 100% pure Greek on Cyprus with just an imagined Turkish preseance..just like the imagined ones in North Western Greece. You guys gotta lay off the nargileh it cause your mind to play tricks on you.

You really need to stop smoking that thing Gruevski sells you. Do you really know what Minoan means? This is just the name of a king in ancient Crete.

Last time I checked you failed to thwart a referendum upon a deal that was about to give away the 1/4 of your country to the Albanians, and without the votes of the latter (and an equal if not greater number of your own votes) you almost failed to elect Ivanov for president. Therefore it is obvious that ANY referendum for the name issue would not get a 50% approval rate and fail just like the previous one. So, why does Gruevski bother to galvanize his electoral base to accept the name deal when he can proceed to the referendum and see it failing and thus absolve his own role in the negotiating table? I told you fellas, this guy has built that huge cross because he plans to get crucified upon it. Now you also know that his (formerly) own fanatical supporters shall make the crucifixion as a punishment for his betrayal...