Scheffer Pessimistic on Macedonia Dispute

They are still sticking to their foolish hardline attitude. Instead of helping their people's future, they look for quick votes by getting the public fired up. Dont they realize that you cant be part of a group if one member of the group you wish to join doesnt want you? Geez, how foolish can some be. FYROMians get rid of Gruevski and let us become neighbors. With North Macedonia, your still Macedonian, but you have to understand there are more Greek Macedonians than your Northern Macedonian people. So exclusively calling yourselves Macedonian is out of the question. This is the issue... the name. When you talk history, well you just seem even more foolish. Ancient Macedonia was Greek and you all know it as the world does. This is the world's history now, not yours, and the world knows Macedonians and Alexander the Great was Greek, not Slavic. The name is the issue, then we can continue being freinds. Until then, you cant be part of organizations we belong to without us wanting you. As simple as that. You joined the UN with FYROM. Since you pay no respect to the intrim agreement, we dont have to let you in either. Show respect and we will too.

Scheffer and Bakoyannis are not in the 21st century yet.NATO should know very well who is fighting in Iraq and Afganistan.Macedonia is in addition are in the forefront of Bosnia,Kosovo,Lebanon.Where is Greece as a NATO member?Republic of Macedonia are not confussed,it is NATO members who are realy confussed.A State that has 240 thousand strong army is afraid of 8 thousand army that Macedonia has? The State of Greece must wake-up and do the right thing for better neighborly relations.It is a shame what Greece is doing to the tiny Republic of Macedonia and its Macedonian minority in Greece.The comment before me is absurd to say the least.This individual has no clue of history,I will leave it at that.

I regret to read the above comments from my Greek countryman which requires a point by point response to unravel misleading comments that were posted 1) Say Macedonians, not FYROMians. 2) Say Macedonians are sticking to their natural rights to their identity, rather than to their foolish hardline attitude. 3) Say let the group(EU, Nato, UN) decide, rather than one member deciding for the group. 4)Say Gruevski was democratically electic by the Macedonian people, rather than getting rid of Gruevski for the sake of expediency. 5)Say just Macedonians, rather than North Macedonians or any other arbitrary geographic direction such as East, West, or South Macedonians. 6)Say Macedonians in Greece, rather than Greek Macedonians. 7) Say transplanted Greeks from Asia Minor in Greece, rather than Greek Macedonians. 8) Say Ancient Macedonia was a separate entity, rather than Greek which the academic world is increasingly coming to espouse. 9)Say Alexander the Great was Macedonian, rather than Greek, which, again, is increasingly espoused by historians. 10) Say Greece doesn't know how to deal with the name issue which it created, rather than the name is the issue. 11)Say Greece broke the 1995 Interim Agreement, rather than blaming Macedonia for a breach it did not commit. 12)Say Macedonia has shown respect from the beginning, rather than blaming Macedonia for the lack of respect shown by Greece.

the macedonians will never give up the name nor the identity,the world will realise how the greeks are making trouble to one small country,every person has the rights to be called what they like,the greeks are scared of gruevski thats why they want him out,alexander spoke barbarian,he had nothing to do with greece,the greeks never liked him,the greeks are egyptians,nothing to do with alex the great!

We will not simply dissappear...we are who we are...dont confuse the issue which is centered on the Macedonians living in Greece being persecuted, outlawed and finally identity snatched... We will not simply dissappear. The Ovchar is watching...you

I am afraid it's you pretend greeks that just don't get it.Of course there are now more greeks in your occupied piece of northern greece oh I'm sorry it's now changed to pretend greek Macedonia. You made sure of that when your pretend nation drove out the native MACEDONIAN people using any babaric means and then forcefully trying to assimilate anyone who was left over. Import some christian turks, try and remove any trace of MACEDONIAN culture and whammo,there you have it a Macedonia with pretend greek heritage. And I'm afraid that world history knows that the MACEDONIANS never considered themselves greek and certainly the people who your modern pretend country is trying to claim deluded ties too considered the MACEDONIANS as babaric invaders.YOU SHOW SOME RESPECT!!

Macedonians persecuted in Greece??? Funny noone told them. One of them is the prime minister who is presumably persecuting ....himself???

These posts make for interesting reading. Many are even hysterically funny, were it not for the fact that the authors who penned them actually believe them to be fact. I guess it does highlight the fact that if a lie is repeated often enough, then people start to believe it. However, the comment i wish to make is more general. When all is said and done, the reality remains that FYROM's current government is leading this country into an abyss. FYROM's antics have successfully alientated most (if not all) its neighbours. One of these days the FYROMian's will finally wake up and discover that the rug has been pulled from under their feet by their own 'friends/allies'! While their 'friends' cultivate and encourage the stoush with Greece over the name dispute, behind the scenes these very same 'friends' are preparing FYROM's demise from the map! Make no mistake, the vision is a Greater Albania. Its only a matter of time before the western half of FYROM joins Albania or Kosova.

It is absurd for the "Greeks" to claim their ancestry from the Hellens of 25 hundred years.The Hellens dissapeared long time ago,and todays so-called Greeks have absolutly no connection to.It is absurd to claim the artifacts discovered in Aegean Macedonia as being "Greek"."Greece" has not discovered one acient artifact from Alexander the Great below Mt. Olympus?.It is obvious,ancient Macedonians were not Hellens or the Hellens being Macedonians.The 16 ray flag on red background is Macedonian. Please,do not confuse your selfs what is Greek and what is Macedonian.The "Greek"version of flag background is always blue-not red.Please people, use your heads not what "Greece" is fabricating since 1913.

If a now defunct nation or ethnicity chose to assimilate into another nation (like Ancient Macedonians joining the rest of the Greek (or Hellenic for you lovers of semantics) city states by freewill (see Ancient Macedonians, Spartans etc), or by force (see Turks), does not give the right to a totally unrelated 3rd party nation to come out and claim to be that ethnicity...Just because the Ancient (Real) Macedonians have assimilated into the Hellenic realm millenia ago, does not give the PsuedoMacedonains the right to claim all their heritage...its absurd. Macedonia is Greek (Hellenic). Period. There is no discussion.

FYROM must accept the sad for them truth that the Macedonia name is forever linked with Greek history. Using it to describe a Slavic ethnicity is preposterous. They have absolutely no historical or genetic facts to back up their ludicrous claims. On the contrary, Greece has thousands upon thousands of independent archeological, anthropological, and linguistic pieces of evidence to righfully claim the name Macedonia. Macedonia was always Greek and our northern neighbours must realise that their identity is based on lies.

This article for strange reasons hides the IMPORTANT statement from Scheffer: "There was never a VETO from Greece, there has never been a VETO in NATO. There was concensus in Buchurest not a VETO" Wake up skops, it's sleeping time

Macedonian culture & language is inhereted not made up ..... so who were the Macedonians & what language did they speak 2500 years ago ??? - Ancient Greek is the only evidence todate. I bet neither modern peoples - Bulgarian / Albanian / Greek / Slavic received a mention. History & books world wide provide the only evidence available & artifacts found. If this response is too overwhelming to everyone, then I understand!!! So where does one find the facts ???

The facts lay in all large public domains called libraries & museums. So unless any new true facts come to see sunlight, then Greek Macedonians are historically tied & linked accordingly todate. If I was born today on a ship in the Mediterranean sea & were travelling from Spain to Turkey, then what identity would I have if my mother was French & father was Italian??? - you are born geographically & within a border ..... & you inherit its history & culture of today.

First of all the great pretender is not Greek and he is definitely not enlightened. The others are simply showing by their comments that they don't live in the real world and have a highly distorted view of history. Try out some other sources like macedonia-evidence.org. You never know you may learn something valuable. As I wrote elsewhere but my comments have not been published yet, Macedonia was mentioned in the Bible but not as a sepate ethnicity but as one of the provinces of the Roman Empire. Your forefathers [ the Slavs ] had not migrated into that area yet. {Not for another 6 centuries]. St. Paul preached to the Hellenized Jews,the Greeks and Romans who lived in what is today Greece as well as Asia Minor [which is now part of Turkey]. Furthermore, in case you learnt a different story, St. Paul and his entourage never preached to any Slavs or Turks. These invading tribes[Slavs and Turks] were still in the Carpathian mountains and Mongolia, respectively. Also, since some of you like quoting the Bible, let me remind you that the peoples[Jews, Persians etc.] who came in contact with Alexander and his Macedonians they knew that they were Greeks. In the Book of Daniel, the angel Gabriel is explaining to Daniel the vision that he saw about the future world kingdoms and he describes Alexander as the king of Greece: Daniel 8:21-22 [Jewish Publication Society 1917] "And the rough he-goat is the king of Greece; and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. And as for that which was broken, in the place whereof four stood up,four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not with his power." This prophesy is a clear reference to Alexander and his Diadochi or Successors. By the way in the Septuagint version of the Bible, Alexander is described as the "king of the Hellenes[Greeks]"- βασιλευς των ελληνων- Δανιηλ 8'21. So, please check out the validity of your sources before making false statements.