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Italy Casts Macedonia’s Alexander Statue

Skopje | 05 May 2009 |
 
A small scale version of the Alexander statue
A small scale version of the Alexander statue
After nearly two years of silence, Skopje's central municipality finally revealed details of the controversial ten million euros project for erecting several grandiose bronze monuments, including a giant statue of Alexander the Great.

The statue of Alexander the Great, that will be erected in the city's main square and show the ancient warrior king riding his horse Bucephalus, will be 12 metres tall. Together with the 10 metre high pedestal on which it will be placed, the whole statue will reach 22 metres.

“There has been a fuss made in the public as if we are doing a terrible damage to the state,'' said the Skopje's central municipality Vladimir Todorovic in a press conference late Monday.

''I regret this. The monuments are marvelous, fascinating. We will have something to be proud of in two or three years,'' he added.

The mayor was forced into holding the press conference after local Dnevnik newspaper on Monday said it was in possession of documents detailing plans and costs for the statues.

It said that Fonderia Artistica Ferdinando Marinelli, a well known artistic foundry located in Florence, Italy, has been secretly hired to make the statues, and has been asked to keep quiet over the deals signed in 2008 with Skopje's central municipality that ordered the monuments. The papers said it is in possession of five deals that bind both sides to secrecy.

The erection of the monuments has been highly controversial due to their estimated high cost, but also due plans to erect the figure of Alexander the Great, whose origin is the subject of a bitter dispute between Skopje and Athens.

Given that Greece blocked Macedonia's entry into NATO and threatens to do the same to the country's EU membership bid due to the dispute between the two countries, many locals say that this monument will only provoke additional tensions.

Skopje's central municipality has repeatedly avoided going into details of the plans, and had not given any details of cost.

The opposition Social Democrats have accused the government and the municipality of lack of transparency when spending public money, but at Monday's press conference Todorovic claimed everything was in order.

He told journalists that the statue of Alexander the Great will cost 4.5 million euros and is expected to be erected by early 2010.

He also outlined plans for four five metre tall bronze lions that will be placed on the sides of the bridge Goce Delcev near the government building, that will cost nearly three million euros.

He said that the municipality will pay 1.6 million euros for horse mounted statues of Nikola Karev, Goce Delcev and Dame Gruev, Macedonian revolutionaries from the beginning of the twentieth century. Two of these statues will be put in the main square as well, with the other will be placed in front of  the parliament building.

Statues of the late tenth and early eleventh century sovereign, Tzar Samoil and that of Metodija Andonov Cento, the first Macedonia president will also be erected.

However, the ordering of other statues will be temporary postponed since the government has had to cut spending citing knock-on effects of the world financial crisis, said Todorovic.

Fonderia Artistica Ferdinando Marinelli's work include the Holy Door of Saint Peter's Cathedral at the Vatican, the Monumental Stairs of the Vatican Museums, monuments for the US Department of Defence, the monumental horses at the Arlington Memorial Bridge in Washington and many others.

(Reporting by Sinisa-Jakov Marusic)



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Comments:
Utterly stupid
2009-05-05 12:36:44
Instead of spending these 100 million € on more useful areas, the Macedonian government spend it on useless statues... Why? To grow a Macedonian identity? Yes, in fact Macedonian are Slavs that came to the Balkan peninsula during the 13th century, they are Bulgarian and later on conquered the area and built this artificial identity as the ancestors of Alexander the Great, when indeed he was of Illyrian ancestry. And his name can be translated only through one language existing today and that is the Albanian language. His name means "He was born like a dream" Ai-le-si-enderr". What does his name mean in Macedonian?.. Sorry I mean Bulgarian.

Welcome, or better don't come
2009-05-05 12:42:03
completely GAGGA. If you don't have nothing to offer for the future, fix on the past!

To Ed Graham
2009-05-05 14:03:24
So...he is of Illyrian ancestry now?!..well well...and i always thought his name was of Greek origin. The Balkan people mentality never stop to amuse me!

no no no!
2009-05-05 14:13:14
Alexandros was from Planet Mars.

@ed graham
2009-05-05 14:33:33
If Ed is you real name I am Michelle Obama

Ed Graham
2009-05-05 14:52:44
Sorry to upset you, but Alexander is a greek word, as is Philip(friend of horses) Alex:->keep, drive away You can find the same root in modern greek: Alexi-ptoto =Parachute (keeps from ptosis=fall), alexi-keravno(keravnos=thunder) andras:-> man Alexander="He who makes men run away" And, what does "Philip" mean in Albanian?

NEW STATUES
2009-05-05 15:01:36
GREAT NEWS THAT THE MAYOR HAS DECIDED TO ALSO ERECT A STATUE OF TZAR SAMOUIL, THE LAST BULGARIAN TZAR THAT WAS DEFEATED BY EMPEROR BASIL II AND WHOSE CASTLE WAS LOCATED IN TODAY'S TETOVO... OR MAYBE SAMOUIL WAS "MAKEDONTSI" ALSO?

illIrian ha what next?
2009-05-05 15:12:40
its common knowledge alex- leader (of) andros- man -it was 6th or 7th century when the slavs came to settle in makedonia from the far north

A full figure statue of Alexander the Great to fill our empty history and stomachs.
2009-05-05 15:24:15
A full figure statue of Alexander the Great to fill our empty history and stomachs.


2009-05-05 16:02:31
To Mick: As you may understand, I am not from the Balkans. All I know is that Alexander the Great was certainly not of the same ethnicity as of the present day "Macedonians" but rather of Illyrian/Pelasgian ancestry. To Grammar correction: Did it ever occur to you that the name Alexander may have more than one meaning? With the Illyrian one being: "Born like a dream" and/or the Ancient Greek one : "He who makes men run away". The names of Macedon, Alexander and Philip etc. has absolutely nothing to do with present day Macedonia which of the vast majority are originally Slavs that settled around the Balkan peninsula during the 13th century. And are now trying to create this identity mostly to piss the Greeks of.

erecting around
2009-05-05 16:10:42
Its a bit sad that Greeks and Macedonians can not find solution for this problem of the usage of (my name). I see no problem in Skopje erecting monuments, bringing some style to Skopje is ok, and tourists would love it too.

Thanks you for spreading Hellenism
2009-05-05 16:12:39
They spend 1.6 million euros for their Bulgarian heros Nikola Karev, Goce Delcev and Dame Gruev and 4,5 million for a Greek Hero??????????? hahahaha Goce Delcev: „...Defections and split-ups should not scare you at all. It is regrettable, indeed, but what is to be done if WE ARE BULGARIANS and we all suffer from the same disease! If this desease were not inherent in our ancestors from whom we also inherited it, we would have never fallen under the ugly sceptre of the Turkish sultans..." letter from Goce Delchev to Nikola Malashevski, Jan. 5 1899 Nikola Karev: His brother Georgi was Bulgarian and was sentenced to five years in prison as a "collaborator of the Bulgarian fascist occupiers" and after serving the sentence was killed in Tito's Idrizovo prison Dame Gruev: " Considering the critical and terrible situation that the Bulgarian population of the Bitola Vilayet found itself in and following the ravages and cruelties done by the Turkish troops and irregulars,... considering the fact that everything Bulgarian runs the risk of perishing and disappearing without a trace because of violence, hunger, and the upcoming misery, the Head Quarters finds it to be its obligation to draw the attention of the respected Bulgarian government to the pernicious consequences vis-a-vis the Bulgarian nation, in case the latter does not fulfill its duty towards its brethren of race here in an imposing fashion which is necessary by virtue of the present ordeal for the common Bulgarian Fatherland..."

More SEX please!!
2009-05-05 16:16:37
Ooh this cheesy, awkward, childish perception of history. Is there some kind of contest between Pristina and Skopje whose statue is more ridiculous? While the ones believe, they should remember their recent heroes with statues looking menacingly carrying Kalasnikows (Hello!! is this 1950?), Skopje officials look to 'adjust' antike History with Alexander allaround and new churches in Byzantine style. Honestly, these people need urgently goood SEX !!


2009-05-05 19:51:49
LOOOOOOL. This is hilarious, I can't believe they're actually giving money for this! "a well known artistic foundry located in Florence, Italy, has been secretly hired to make the statues" SECRETLY? Hahahah, this is great!

Ed Graham
2009-05-05 21:03:09
Hey Eddie, Alexander had nothing to do with the Illyrians. And what you said is completely false and revisionist. It matters not what his name means in Albanian as Albanians didn't exist then as they do today. His name is Greek as it was written everywhere. There is evidence for this. It is well documented that his name means "Defender of Man" so let's cut the bs.

Ed Graham again
2009-05-05 21:07:11
You're practicing propaganda and revision of history. Get lost. Macedon had no connection with Illyrians or Pelasgians as Illyrians are said by the ancient historians to be located in North West Greece (this meaning north of Epirus and West of Macedonian). Pelasgians are a NON-Indo-European peoples while Macedonians are of Greek stock. The same as the Dorians far to the south in the Peloponnese were.

And Ed Graham
2009-05-05 21:08:27
Did it ever occur to you that the Illyrians gave his name this meaning because he made them run away?

Ed
2009-05-05 21:11:35
And just to point out Ed, you did say at the very top that his name can only be translated using the Albanian language today. A language reborn using Latin, Greek, Slavic and you guessed it, Turkish.

panem et circenses pro Skupi
2009-05-05 21:18:25
Message to the Skupi municipality: please don't forget to order the titanium nails from the Fonderia Artistica Ferdinando Marinelli! They are now needed for the casket to bury this neophyte country's short-term future...

Alexander the Macedonian
2009-05-06 02:51:16
The Arvanitovlah myths regarding Ancient Greece and the "unbroken" line of continuity between the Ancient Greeks and today's imposters is being challenged and you guys are scrambling for your worry beads wondering how to tackle it. Keep trying.

Ed Graham
2009-05-06 07:47:49
Although we agree that "The names of Macedon, Alexander and Philip etc. has absolutely nothing to do with present day Macedonia which of the vast majority are originally Slavs that settled around the Balkan peninsula during the 13th century. And are now trying to create this identity mostly to piss the Greeks of." , I was just pointing out that the greek interpretation looks much more sensible to me(though I do not know Illyrian) because not only does Alexander's name have a meaning in greek, but so does Philip's, Ptolemy's(war-like), Seleukus, Ifestion(volcanic) and so on.


2009-05-06 09:14:28
Isnt it exactly like the one that exists in Thessaloniki? -They name their city Skopje "capital of Macedonia".. like Thessaloniki is. -They name their citizens "Macedonians" like the citizens of Thessaloniki are. -They erect the same monuments like the ones already exist in Thessaloniki -They have on their banknotes the city of Thessaloniki ...what is going on? For the citizens of Thessaloniki is like they have 2 pararell lives! Why dont they name their city.. as Thessaloniki so as this issue to be closed in 10 seconds?

humiliating a legendary figure
2009-05-06 09:45:52
I don't have a problem with Slavs glorifying an Ancient figure but how can they put these other statues of unknowns next to Alexander the Great? Gotse Deltsev?? Now come on!! Let's just show a little respect.

Nationalist Erections
2009-05-06 09:46:45
The erecting of a statue of Alexander the Great in the main square is a calculated political move designed to harness nationalist sentiment and ensure that the ruling party continues to do well in the polls. In the long run, however, I predict it will become a "time bomb" for future administrations, since no politician will have the courage to tear down a (popular) statute once it has been erected, yet progress on the name issue and EU accession will ultimately be linked to making concessions that will be politically painful.

Other countries national heroes on display in the city of Skopje
2009-05-06 10:20:41
Is this statue a clone of the one in Greece on the seaside in Thessaloniki? What about the statues of Bulgarians, are they clones too? The Alexander status looks out of place in a Slavic country. Stick to the rest of Eastern Europe of erecting statues of other Greeks like Cyril and Methodius who invented the Slavic language and at least have some relevance. Is Skopje trying to be an outdoors museum. How about Napoleon and Ghengis Khan next?

No wonder
2009-05-06 10:58:30
I am sorry but as long as Greeks officially do not recognize fully Macedonian ethnicity this will fire back and many other things would come up as well not just stupid statues. Yes, it is crazy to do that but this is Balkan, if neighbour do not show respect he will not receive respect back at all. And just to remind you that in Greece is perfectly normal to be Slav and also to be officially only Greek ethnically. And for those that do not know anything about Slavs, their history and culture would say that it is the same thing what some Macedonians are doing now, no one Slav can be or was Greek, period. But reality on the ground is different, so yes, Macedonians have right to fully claim Alexander and to talk all this nonsense because it is just another side of the same nonsense story that is coming form Greece. So I am sure we will have many more statues, disputes, protests and all other things that are elements of insecure national identities – and yes all Balkan nations have actually extremely modern identity that does not go much back in history, this includes Greeks as well, but that’s fact that will not be shown in books to kids.

This government has no sense of reality nor priority
2009-05-06 10:59:02
Maybe the unemployed can gather round the statue and sing along with it.

jORG
2009-05-06 12:33:13
boy... didn't you know that the Ghengis Khan actualy was born in Prilep ? And the middle name was "Macedon"? Anyway, what is to you if there is statue of Alex. in Skopje ?? or maybe it is not Skopje, maybe is New Skopje ? or however you want to call it .... please, don't you have something else to doooooooo.....

Alexander veliki ???
2009-05-06 15:12:47
The sad thing is that Greek nationalism has spread into Macedonia and young Macedonians are forgetting their Slav forefathers who died for their country's freedom from their rapacious neighbours and are now falling for a pointless myth of genetic descent from ancient Macedonians who, whoever they started off as, became absorbed into the Hellenic cultural.

@Ivo
2009-05-06 15:22:26
We have no problem with people of slavic origin to be members of Greek nation. Greeks are all those who share a common education and cultural background. Despite what the slav macedonian diaspora invents as "Macedonian" history, a large faction of slavic speaking Macedonians are integral part of Greek nation (not just Greek citizens)and they don't consider Slav Macedonians of FYROM as their co-nationals. Every nation is the product of a compex construction process not a fabricated history by nationalists like Risto Stefov and the likes of him in Greece,FYROMacedonia and Diaspora. to a common future for all balkan people

To all greeks
2009-05-06 15:28:18
You greeks should check your genetics in Igenea. The genetic stuidies dosn't lie (it's the only truth)! Check the statistics and then talk about who is Macedonian. But for a brainwashed greek I don't think that mathers. Everything is in greek!!??

sad
2009-05-06 15:37:20
it's just another little chapter in the comedy series that is Skopje. Former episodes include: 1) The Macedonian "Awakening": a nation of people suddenly figured out who they are and what their name and history is... only took them 4000 years.... 2) The pseudo-Macedonian Nation and their flag: GREEK archaeologists in GREECE find GREEK tomb with GREEK inscriptions written in GREEK with the widely used GREEK symbol of the Vergina Sun... which is then used as the FYROM flag... The real tragedy though is that a nation of people continues to live in poverty whilst their leaders insist on attempting to buy an identity, rather than buy a future. Luckily, the Greek spirit has and always will be a charitable one, and we will continue to prop them up and invest in their economy and infrastructure, regardless of the fact that they continue to spit in the face of our identity and culture.

Definitely-Only Sex can help!
2009-05-06 16:30:34
Definitely-Only Sex can help out!

stupidity
2009-05-06 16:51:42
You cannot immage how much stipid this converstation look like from outside. I'm italian, so I asked my government to suit the Macedonian Government for referring to the aqueduct outside Skopje as "Roman"! Best

Alexander the Albanian
2009-05-07 03:08:15
Ed, have you ever opened a history book written by someone other than an Albanian? Was Cleopatra Illyrian (Albanian) as well? How about Mark Anthony? Will your thieving have no end. First you steal Kosovo from Serbia and now you want to steal Alexander from the Greeks. Shame on you.

bi-Alex
2009-05-07 05:43:12
I'll say it again, if the latest research on Alex the Great proves correct, then i apologise to all my megali hellenes. If his bi-sexuality is proven then he would almost certainly have been greek! Just joking! What i really want to say is, bend over and take it like grkomen. We chose the name Macedonia for our country and you guys did not, you chose greece. You chose a name that does not exist on any document, engraving or language before the 1800's. Ooops, big moostake on your part. But its alright, you can use Macedonia aswell, we don't mind. Infact it's a form of flattery when someone wants to imitate you and we understand your insecurity on this issue, it's quite justified. Anyway, get a greek life and find someone else to pick on because your losing this one. Long live Macedonia. Long live Macedonia

the Greek answer
2009-05-07 08:00:02
some comments on this great news : 1.hahahahaha! 2.Italy secretly casts Alexander’s statue for fyrom? well, ELLINES ALL OVER THE WORLD we have ONE ANSWER to this. We did it successfully some years ago when we stopped buying any Italian and Dutch products;it didn’t last long. Soon after this both Italian and Dutch governments had to retreat and succumb to pressure coming from the global law of economic interests caused by distress and serious alarm for fear of COLLAPSE IN BOTH COUNTRIES’ ECONOMIES. 3.HAHAHAAA! 4.the real power lies in the minds and pockets of the Greek citizens and consumers. No need for governmental directive. Greeks do it the GREEK WAY. 5.he who laughs last, laughs better-HA HA HA HA! GREEKS,STOP BUYING ANY ITALIAN PRODUCTS!

@the real Kiril
2009-05-07 09:18:24
Alexander the Macedon was Greek. NIE SNE GRCI MAKEDONCI


2009-05-07 10:31:55
Dimitrios but you do have a problem, Slavs can not become Greeks. And yes, the main difference is culture or more preciously incompatibilities of two different cultures. Slavs have extremely deep European roots that go back much further of any written history, that is the reason why are they so strong and actually the most successful European group of nations and worst material for cultural assimilation. Ivo

Tinko
2009-05-07 12:14:13
Yeah and while you're out there trying to prove a THEORY made up of a bunch of cowards that call themselves scholars but are really desperate politicians, hundreds of people like myself will happily attend Ancient Greek courses in countries in Europe, USA, Australia, Canada and beyond! PS if today's Greeks aren't descendants of Ancient Greeks then neither are Albanians the so called "Macedonians" or anyone else for that matter. You can't win this battle, semantics are against you.

Ivo
2009-05-07 13:32:25
"as long as greeks do not recognize the macedonian ethnicity" FYI, the majority of macedonians are greek and want no relation with Skopje. So why should a minority of questionably macedonians be recognized as macedonians and effectively disallow the name from the majority? What if Kossovo renames itself "Republic of Tetovo?" Or maybe Krajna renames itself "Sicily" and wants to talk about the sicilian ethnicity, claiming Don Corleone as their hero?

The greek comentators
2009-05-07 14:16:28
Wow! These must be desperate times for you guy's. Reading this utter baseless garbage, it's not even amusing. The frantic search for issues to raise, allegations to make, to degrade and insult only proves that. Macedonia has every right to put on display her hero. After all, he conquered greece. Have any of you seen the British show; "THE RICH LIST"? The contestants were asked; "WHAT NATIONALITY WAS ALEXANDAR THE GREAT" the answer MACEDONIAN!! Just go to YOU TUBE. No further comment required!

Georgio
2009-05-08 07:30:57
Stupidity has no boundaries. What a proof! Shows that the average british housewife has been taken phony macedonian propaganda seriously. All the more reason to find a sane name. For your info, although this has been shown a thousand times, Alexander was unquestionably greek. Just ask the jews the victory over whom do they celebrate in Channukah.(This is a victory over Alexander's successors). The answer is the greeks, NOT the macedonians.

GEO
2009-05-08 07:55:10
Attend your Ancient Greek classes boyo, as we will attend our Macedonian classes, but I can as sure as day tell you that your ancestors prior to the Western-inspired formation of the Kingdom of Greece most likely spoke Albanian and Vlah as their first languages. It pains me to agree with you, but I do when you say that Macedonians are not the direct descendants of the Ancient Greeks. Sounds pretty logical to me as we don’t want to be their descendants . I also agree that Macedonians are not direct lineal descendants of the Ancient Macedonians, nor that any modern ethnicity- Greeks included- in the Balkans or in Europe for that matter has a direct lineage connecting them to the ancient cultures that inhabited their countries. However, that does not mean that modern ethnicities don't exist or that Macedonians don't exist. You can't put the genie back into the bottle to suit your nationalist agenda. You might care to read Gay MacDougall's report on Greece's lamentable treatment of its Macedonian, Turkish and Roma minorities. But then again she was just paid off by VINOZITO (RAINBOW) wasn't she? BTW, I think you mean linguistics rather than semantics don’t you? I reckon we've already won the battle and try as you might you will never break the will of the Macedonian people or get our nation to change our name. See you next week in Lerin.

diaspora double-speak
2009-05-08 08:51:14
actually, Tinko, the word is semantics in terms of Slav Macedonians' political problem with the "name", as you demonstrate with Lerin as opposed to Florina when communicating to an international audience and in English. You belie a sly village form of irredentism, something the Gruev regime started off with and then graduated into other bigger things, like demanding war reparations for late 1940s-era communist insurgents and their descendants, many of whom are THIRD COUNTRY nationals. You have the problem, not Greece. As for Arvanites, Vlahs etc. you fall into the 'risto' (dis)intellectual trap of trying to debate a real 21st century political problem with questionable or misinterpreted 19th century reasoning served up by half-educated big mak fanatics of the diaspora, barbers and building contractors decidedly on the fringe of the cooky and resurrected ideology of "Macedonianism". If the statues go up, Skopje will host ve representatives of three of the area's major nationalities (note, I didn't use the word ethnicities, as per semantics): Mother Teresa (albanian) Alex Veliki (ancient Hellenic) Goce Delchev (bulgarian) Is the Serbian Emperor Stefan Dusan IV next? dobri vetser

Tinko
2009-05-08 11:10:59
"your ancestors prior to the Western-inspired formation of the Kingdom of Greece most likely spoke Albanian and Vlah as their first languages" Really? Pity you forgot to tell them. Same with real macedonians in greece. You forgot to tell them that you know better than them what they really are. Anyone who uses the term Macedonian to refer to a minority of questionably macedonian people and exclude the vast majority of macedonians who are and consider themselves greek is showing an extreme bias, not to mention lack of common sense and cannot be taken seriously

comments by; nina-maMakedonia-hellas
2009-05-13 03:56:22
Italians produce variety of goods. From fast cars to pasta. Making sculptures is an age old tradition in Italy. If an Italian business accepts an order for a sculpture or sculptures, it is entirely their decision. It has NOTHING TO DO with greece. Dont threaten Italy with a goods embargo! OK! How would you like it if Italy recognizes the Republic of Macedonia with her Constitutional and Rightfull Name?

alex
2009-05-14 16:15:19
Macedonia forever .The monument of Alexander the Great in Skopje shoud be in every town in Republic of Macedonia.

nina&Georgio
2009-05-15 07:58:14
Although phony macedonia is just being ridiculous, I see no problem making business -and profit-with ridiculous people. Besides, it was not Italy who build the statue(and it would have been perfectly ok even if it was the italian government that did it), but an italian company. So for the first and probably only time, Georgio is correct. Of course the statue is not an issue in Greece-if Gruevski wants to make his country poorer, why should Greece have any say in it?

REF: Oliver
2009-05-15 09:58:44
Whats your connection with Alexander the Great. You are FRYOMIANS, Slavs nothing to do with Macedonia who were Greeks. Are you trying to steal the history and culture from another country to justify your existance?? Keep it up and you will never enter NATO and EU..

Ringos
2009-05-18 12:46:25
In the true Macedonian language and not the one resurrected in the early 19th century by the Arvanitovlahs and their Western backers, it is Dobro Vecher. And it will always be Lerin and Voden and Solun and Kostur etc for us the true Macedonians. I pity you little megalomanic nationalists looking for a "Slav " under every rock. I might write a play about you guys one day. The source material is inexhaustible. See you in Lerin Ringos.

Ringos Ringoev Ringoevic ... Ringoski
2009-05-18 20:20:52
Tinko, you'd do better to first figure out the difference between semantics and propaganda before graduating to understanding the Slavic corruption (this is not a put down, btw) of Greek place names, i.e. victory over Thessalonians = Thessaloniki(e) vs. Solun and/or Salonika, Selanik, Saruna etc. Or (drum roll, please) chLERINon, modern Florina, as opposed to Lerin. Dobri Vecher, as they say in Sofia! P.S. the "true Macedonians" crapola does nothing to solve the very real political problems the neophyte country you refer to has, circa 2009

the statue
2009-06-09 17:02:57
alexander was macedonian all of the ancient greek authors wrote that alexander was macedonian, do you rememeber what demosthenes wrote to philip alexanders father

Salonika
2009-07-30 05:54:47
My mother's family is from Salonika. My mother was born there. Thessaloniki is beautiful, and has some of the best Byzantine architecture. It was the second city to Constantinople during the Greek Byzantine empire. The Hellenist civilization which came after Alexander is the greatest civilization that ever existed. It was Cosmoploitan, like no culture today compares to. People spoke several languages, it was based on Greek learning and culture, it encompassed the Balkans present Day Turkey , Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, etc...and present day Greece! The rest of the Balkan people live under the shadow of Greek supremacy and cant forgive Greece for their superioiry, but like the Ancient greeks said, everyone who isnt Greek, is a Barbarian! They still believe that and their is truth in that to some extent..

MR.A
2009-11-12 22:47:33
Alexander is dead now so let´s move on. Shall we?

I wonder
2009-12-01 08:14:03
When a tourist decides where would he want to visit.. if he wanted to see something about Macedonia? Would he go where the fake statues are, or authentic statues, and museums along with the true birthplace and history of Alexander? What a waste of money...LOL!

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