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Don’t Kill the Balkan Baby, Please

Sarajevo | 10 June 2009 | Srecko Latal
 
Srecko Latal
Srecko Latal
The baby was sick for many years. The parents spent a fortune on a doctor but the doctor was unsure what the problem was, let alone how to cure it.

They tried massive dosages of expensive antibiotics. Medicines temporarily alleviated some of the effects of the baby’s illness but they were never able to resolve the core of the problem.

Fed up with years of efforts and a fortune spent, dad one day said: “Maybe we should kill the baby. We can always get another one if we need it.” Onlookers gasped in shock.

This sort of drama played out in my head as I read an article written by a distinguished US diplomat in a respected US newspaper last week. The article was about the Balkans. The author suggested that after years of failed efforts, America should consider allowing the final disintegration of Kosovo and of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

The absurdity and the weight of this idea was even greater in light of the fact that it was coming from an eminent diplomat who was a veteran of the Balkan region. Who could know better than he, many would say?

And so, this allegory played out in my head. The Balkans was the unwanted, troubled and overprotected baby, America was the bullish, tough dad and Europe was the soft yet confused mother.

You too may wonder why mom and dad should keep on spending their efforts and money on a baby that seems not to want to get better.

I’ll give you few reasons, and I’ll stay away from ethical and moral arguments because they are often used only when all other, more concrete, arguments have failed. 

Even beyond those “last resort” motives, I believe there are several concrete arguments for a continued parental presence in the Balkans.

First, let’s look at the issue from the perspective of the recent history; neither America nor Europe ever tried some other tactics in the Balkans. Since the early 1990s, they have stuck to the same approaches:

America has been focusing on end-results and has used its tough diplomacy, accompanied with implicit threats to use force and political and financial arm-twisting. This approach, reinforced with NATO bombing, managed to stop the fighting but failed to achieve much more than that.  

The EU’s tactics have been even feebler. Focusing on process and lacking a coherent foreign policy, the EU has relied heavily on its thick wallet and on the attraction of an EU membership card. This carrot never really worked for the Balkans but the EU never understood why, so it has just kept on repeating the same old message over and over, louder and louder.

In addition, neither America nor EU ever looked for a second opinion. They relied heavily on their own poor analysis and understanding of Balkan issues. When the situation got tough, they would seek additional opinions, but usually from within their own ranks. Then they would only get reconfirmation of the same illusions or semi-truths, which had little to do with reality but were easier for them to understand and address.

So, in a sense, after all these years, neither America nor Europe have truly understood complex Balkan issues and relations and have never attempted other approaches than their usual ones. As a brief digression, I would suggest that we can see the same pattern repeating itself in Afghanistan and Iraq. 

But let’s also take a look at this issue from the Americans’ and Europeans’ own perspectives. Why should this small, God-forsaken region be so important for them? Why should they keep spending taxpayers’ money on preventing Balkan countries from breaking up?

The answer is because, contrary to general Western understanding, most people across the various ethnic divides actually don’t want these countries to disintegrate. They just want these countries to function better in respect of everybody’s basic ethnic, religious, and other human rights.

There is ample evidence that people from different ethnic groups live side by side and cooperate on a daily basis. Yet this evidence can be found only at local levels, far away from the top political levels that Western diplomats find so important and fascinating. It is because of this focus that the West confuses local politicians’ occasional radical ramblings for their peoples’ nationalist positions.

Moving on from history, let’s view this issue from future perspectives. If the West, through its own inconsistency and incompetency, lets Kosovo and Bosnia split up – if that actually happens – it will create grounds for long-term instability that would come to haunt everyone in the near future.

Abandoning the Kosovo Albanians and Bosnian Muslims would create fertile grounds for all sorts of future radicalization, be it along ethnic, national, religious or criminal lines.

Sooner or later, this abandonment would escalate into something bigger and again find its way into becoming part of America’s and Europe’s internal issues. But by then, it would be much harder and costlier to fix the damage – if fixing were possible at all.

The respected diplomat seems to have forgotten why America engaged in Bosnia with air strikes in 1995. That decision had nothing to do with the morality of such an act, following the Srebrenica massacre. It was because Bosnia had by then become a major part of the US presidential campaign.

To end, let’s view this issue from the perspective of “karma”. All of us, as persons, institutions or countries, face certain situations for very specific reasons; in order to learn certain lessons. The peculiar thing is that the same sort of situation has a tendency to repeat itself – until we finally learn the particular lesson.

This is why those people whose parents had problems with alcohol often end up either becoming one themselves or married to an alcoholic and then their kids inherit the same problem. The same goes with violence.

Unfortunately, we are all witnesses to the fact that neither people in the West nor in the Balkans have learned their specific and joint lessons. Until they do, the same situation will repeat itself over and over again.

For all those reasons, I urge mom and dad not to kill the baby. The plea is not only for the baby’s sake but for its parents’ sake as well. Instead of abandoning it and dooming it to a slow and agonizing death, the parents should first consider facing their own past shortcomings. Then, they can ask for a doctor’s second opinion – and try some alternative treatments.  


 



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Comments:

2009-06-10 12:56:11
Srecko,what about the "big baby" that was Yugoslavia? Your sadness was the same at the time when the same parents killed that baby?

Don't kill the Balkan baby......
2009-06-10 17:45:33
Who is the respected diplomat? He is talking a lot of sense, even if you don't agree. Bosnia and Kosovo are banana republics. Neither can exist without an enormous injection of money from the west who have propped these to artificial entities up since their creation. The sooner they collapse the better for all concerned.


2009-06-10 17:48:19
Paul, it was not an "American-Muslim-Papist-German-Freemason-and what not" international conspiracy that broke up Yugoslavia. 1.) Yugoslavia was bankrupt. 2.) Milosevic and various other evil little apparatchiks and Serb nationalists broke up Yugoslavia for reasons of their own to create Greater Serbia. But it is useless to try and argue with such people. In the end they understand only ONE language, and if they still want to be addressed only in that language I hope they will get more than they have bargained for.

Why of course...
2009-06-10 18:04:46
...the Bosniaks have learned the lessons of 1992-1995 only too well: might makes right, political goals can be achieved by violence, and the strongest side wins and is appeased and given all kinds of concessions, because the Western (especially the EU) way of reaching a negotiated settlement is to favor the stronger side. Ah, but then unfortunately the Bosniaks are Muslims, so having them live in their own sovereign and independent state in Europe is just not on. So of course the West will abandon them-again, or force them forever to be subdued and ruled by Christians. So that the "self-fulfilling prophecy" of the "clash of cultures" can finally come true. Of course the situation as it is is completely unsustainable, but they all hope they can "muddle through " infinitely. Yes, even Dodik. Or how does anybody believe he would really take the "RS" into Serbia? (and maybe a little more of Bosnia, after all there are Serbs who say 'at least 60% of Bosnia belongs to Serbs') No, no, the situation as it is now is profitable for him. Only that time is not working for the Bosnian Serbs. Eventually they will find themselves outnumbered, and Europe will have to accept then that the Bosniaks are the stronger... So both sides in this conflict would be very well advised to seek the other's forgiveness and reconciliation because neither side is going away, and much less quietly. "You have to shake the hand which you can't cut off." Never thought about that, eh?


2009-06-10 19:35:38
" ...most people across the various ethnic divides actually don’t want these countries to disintegrate." You must be joking? If you really believe that why not allow referendum in RS? I bet at least 80% would be for disintegration. You can learn from history that without solution of "Serb question" stability in Balkan is just impossible. It is encouraging to hear that some Western diplomats coming to the same conclusion. The baby was stillborn, and no matter what, it can not be normal baby. It can exist only as some kind of Frankenstein.

Adopted baby!
2009-06-10 21:00:30
There are a lot of "little babies" and "big babies" around the globe, adopted by U.S. As far as there is war and need to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan, U.S. and allies dont need to "abandon" their babies (Bosnia and Kosova). Hence, the situation will stay like it is now: illness but breathing, in these too countries. About, ex-YU, it was different. In that time, there were no "infected" baby of U.S. somewhere else, so they needed to react in YU. Now they got control in these to states, and its cool as long as there is Iraq and Afghanistan. The thought of the US diplomat is not solution for US nor for their counters. If that happens, everything will go back in centuries. Finally, US has to start to consider its "growing babies" in Ballkan, as grown people. It's better for all.

This baby can't be killed
2009-06-11 08:19:24
This baby can't be killed

Don't baby the Balkans
2009-06-11 08:59:52
Lovely blog. The parent-baby analogy is rather inappropriate though. The Balkan "baby" is more like a frail old grandparent, while the US/EU "parents" can more aptly be depicted as delinquent teenagers. As long as the US/EU treat the Balkans as a baby that needs to be clothed, fed, burped and submitted to the better judgement of its parents, the sickness will remain. The cure is an old one and is well known to many who live in this region. Dignity for the Balkan people is what is missing in the Balkans. Based on recent form though, it seems that this is something that the US has little interest in. As for the EU, it's safe to say that there are precious few Europeans who can comfortably use the terms "dignity" and "EU" in the same sentence. "Don't kill the baby" ... How about a dose of reality to kick off proceedings?


2009-06-11 10:41:36
If somebody in Serbia still thinks that Kosova, Bosnia and teh Krajinay (And Montenegro and Macedonia) will be returned to them, or that they can take them by force, they must be more deluded and unrealistic than could be humanly possible

at Milva
2009-06-11 11:19:36
Bosnia and Kosovo are not Banana Republics, nationalistic approach, low political culture and historical legacy made it dysfunctional. What is Banana is Republika Srpska, which has no grounds to exist, it is artificial baby of Serbian nationalism of Milosevic era. The diplomat has an American idea of Balkan. If RS and Serbs in Kosovo declare independence it will be disaster for whole Balkan - Sandzak, Vojvodina, Northern Macedonia, Western Herzegovina, Posavina, Albanian - Montenegrin border, Serbian - Montenegrin, etc. I am not sure whether Belgrade would change Vojvodina on Eastern Bosnia. I doubt that Zagreb and Belgrade would block the EU integration process for poor lands of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Who will pay for it? It would be model DDR joins DDR. I doubt that Zagreb and Belgrade would freely lost their influence in Bosnia and Herzegovina, which they clearly enjoy thanks to the constitutional system of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Secession sound good, romantic, strong and dramatic enough to catch EU eyes and became recognizable in the World but eventual costs of such move would establish a Republic of (Serbian) Northern Bosnia - entity of importance and scale of development comparable to Southern Ossetia and Northern Cyprus. Good Luck! Srecko, well done assessment of western incompetence and impotence (and this might be biggest problem of the Balkans) Janek

Paul
2009-06-11 11:22:43
Western engagement in the fall of Yugoslavia is shameful and mistakes made obvious and clear. It was nationalism of Serbian and Croatian leaders and lack of political ‘genius’ of other leaders that led to the fall of Yugoslavia. To blame Germany for everything is false. It would be also false to blame American Jews for Holocaust because they ignored signals coming from across the Atlantic and did not do anything about it. Janek


2009-06-11 19:50:41
The Bosnia-Hercegovina "baby" has been on life support ever since Richard Holbrooke rode in on the coattails of Croatian military victories in Croatia and Bosnia-Hercegovina in 1995, and disastrously delivered it at Dayton in the US... It has artificially been kept alive ever since, unable to breath on its own for over a decade... Croats, as one of three constituent nations in Bosnia-Hercegovina, have never had the same political rights as Serbs and Muslims, so, as a Croat, I would be very happy to see the baby finally taken off life support, and buried... "Karma" isn't a Catholic concept, so what you said about it means absolutely nothing to me, but I do believe in miracles, although I highly doubt even many miracles could make this baby start breathing on its own, and live a normal life...

In agreement with Crimea Comrade
2009-06-12 03:47:23
The dignity and respect of the Balkans truly is central issue - but then again the US/EU does not have much respect either perhaps this is the good old east/west dichotomy that does little to allow for at level acceptance if 'pro-western governance is not adhered to' - the situation I suppose can be viewed as baby like - but this suggests that the Balkans would be in need of learning how to walk - when they have already been running for a while (hence the frustration for Balkan peoples) - I can't help but bring this to a different level of analogy - deriving some what from the aging grandparent idea - I suggest the 40yr old dealing with the mid-life crisis becoming saturated with consumerism for the purposes of losing ones autonomy to function and being handed with superficial capital (like say the red shiny porche) as a quick fix and perception of 'doing well' and in line with what’s fashionable... but what of the past - where it all really needs to be focused on - we all can't jump into the driver seat of machinery that is not suitable for all drivers to handle (foreign and clichéd that is)... perhaps a return to the Jugo - but hey its not about the fast cars - its about the mid-crisis that raises out of long fermenting conditions that were not originally focused on due to competitive consumerism... but maybe their is hope considering Obama is pushing the Axis of Respect rapport for the middle-east - but what will the Balkans be... the Axis of Regret? Once the 40yr in the midst of an instable life-crisis losses/compromises it all... its family - memories - ways of life!!!!!p.s. the Balkans in any form - never dies!!!!

US perspectives
2009-06-12 04:15:56
Srecko, your blogs are great. I am from the US and lived in Sarajevo for more than two years. I cannot pretend I know everything, of course, but I think you are completely right that most Americans don't bother looking for other perspectives. I am now a graduate student and reading academic literature about the Balkans it is obvious to me that academics as well approach the region with pre-conceived notions and stereotypes. I'm really sorry for this. I do think Balkan Insight including these blogs can be one step towards a better approach. Also Americans have to change and that is really a hard task.

to you know who
2009-06-12 07:01:23
Please take your anti Serb rant elsewhere. Do you have anything constructive to add here or are you here only to bash Serbs? According to you it's Serbia's fault when it snows and you want to go to the beach. This "Baby" is nothing more than a freak. There is no such race as Bosnians or Kosovars. These are only recent inventions by the west. In Bosnia Croatians are still Croatians and Serbs are still Serbs. I think you would find it very hard to find anyone except the Muslims calling themselves Bosnians. Same in Kosovo. Kosovo is only a region in which Serbs and Albanians live. Much like Vojvodina. Are we going to invent another race called Vojodins now? A mercy killing is sometimes preferable to never ending torture.


2009-06-12 08:30:44
Janek you have a very skewed view of the Balkans. The most obvious proof of western influence was the US/german led backing the recognition of Bosnia as a state which should have never been accepted. More then half the nation boycotted the independence vote. Croats and Serbs alike both claimed that they would be up in arms if Bosnia seceded. It only met 2 out of the 6 requirements to be a memeber of the UN. If you want to call RS a bannana republic look no further then Bosnia which is the most dysfunctional state in Europe and possibly the world because today like in 92 most of the inhabitants have no faith in the country and never will. And if you think that by letting RS leave along with N. Kosovo that these areas will have problems you are nuts. Sandzak (surrounded by Serbia and not as nationalist as bosniaks like to claim no violence) Vojvodina (over 70 percent serb the next closest nat. is hungarians who only make a 12 percent totall the rest is very mixed again no violence) Northern Macedonia (another bannana republic so I would be for the secession and break up of Macedonia) Western Herzegovina (further proves that Bosnia is dysfunctional and proves your theory wrong let the Croats and Serbs leave Bosnia already) Posavina (competely taken over by Serbs and the few croatians remaining have accepted this and most even fought on the serbian side) Albanian - Montenegrin border (now I think your just stretching for anything you can reach. So unlikely that I wont even comment)

I agree with Montgomery
2009-06-12 11:45:07
Finally someone said something correct. Finally a senior american diplomat realized the truth, i guess being on the ground for 10 years made him realize this. If people dont want to live together, then why force them? Why didnt they just carve up the countries not by republican borders, but by ethnic? Why is the badinter comission true when it is anti-serb, and ignored when it is pro-serb? Bosnia will never work, unless you ethnically cleanse all the serbs or go there and circumsize everyone. Let Srpska join Serbia and improve the lives of the 1.5 million people there. B&H would function better too by getting rid of the RS, you can pass all the laws you claim srpska blocks and join the EU faster, its a win-win! Kosovo will never work either, i cant wait until serbia gets schengen and all the albanians are waiting at the serbian passport office to get their passports as good citizens of serbia and moving en-masse to switzerland and germany to collect unemployment checks. The second thing is that there is no partition of kosovo, the areas which are serb-inhabited only became part of kosovo in 1974, otherwise they were part of serbia before, so why force them just because tito drew a line badly to be part of a narco-state?

@ Janek +
2009-06-12 13:05:57
Dear Janek + Thank you for replying to my post. I have to say however that you are missing some data. Let me remind you some important facts. Bosnia has been a country since medieval ages just like Serbia, Croatia or Poland, where I am from (so excuse me my English as I am not a native speaker). The fact that it was under foreign control does not erase it. I am aware that Bosnia has ‘bad press’ and many people, like you, doubt the Bosnian statehood. Nevertheless nobody doubts Scottish statehood and nationhood. Bosnia is a country and state like many others and has right to exist as all of them. Now, if you have a look on the RS, you shall see that: 1) it has been based on the ethnic cleansing. Even if the other sides did also some terrible things, it is clear, that the Serbian leaders started the whole thing (well … in BiH at least) and ‘etnicko ciscenje’ was so successfully introduced by Serbian leaders. I do not even want to discuss these issues as it is obvious and clear. The threats of jihad etc. is equally probable as an argument that Stalin and Hitler attacked Poland in 1939 to prevent Polish offensive aimed at Moscow and Berlin! RS is artificial entity without and historical explanation etc. 2) I am glad you have brought these arguments concerning Sandžak and Vojvodina. Now, you see, before the war the same arguments were used with regard to BiH. ‘There are no nationalists. People live next to each other for ages. There is not enough of them to act, etc’. And they were right, but nobody predicted the power of nationalist rhetoric, which dominated Yugoslav political debate before the war. Why not to tell Bosniacs to shut up with ridiculous demands of centralization or Serbs to end with even more ridiculous secessionist propaganda. Let the BiH be (con)federation. It is nationalism which hamper develop the country and leads to escalation of conflicts, inter-ethnic tensions and hate! I can guarantee you (what will be difficult to prove ) that in Sandžak, within 2 years a nationalism would stop any form of cooperation between various nationalities. What is happening in Bosnia? the politicians (from all three sides) use nationalism as a simply political tool to gain power, because the constitution forces them to do it. Amazingly the rise of power of lets say Serbs, results in rise of power of Bosniac nationalist, etc, the Dodik is not threat to Silajdzic, and even strengthen his position. So simple is that. 3) Concerning other areas. If Serbs want to be in Serbia, let Bosniacs (or whatever you would call them) in Bosnia!!! And Albanians from the Montenegro in Albania! Why not? And that Posavina is only partly in Croatian hands, well let the Croat make some more territorial gains. The situation, when Serbs had most of weaponry and logistic is gone and Belgrade is aware of this. They may threat some ignorants but I am sure that next war in the WB would not be so successful for Serbs.

@ Janek +
2009-06-12 13:17:47
And some things more: The referendum was supported by over half of the population and Serbs simply boycoted it. Although it is difficult to say, whether Bosniacs from Banja Luka were able to vote and Serbs from Sarajavo boycoted it. As to the Croats at arms, maybe you could explain, why then SDA and HDZ flags were tied togther during the elction campaign in 1991? And why both of the Nations were strictly in favour of independence from dominated by Serbs ruins of Yugoslavia?

Don't Kill the Balkan baby......
2009-06-12 15:33:35
So, no less a politician than William Montgomery, former US ambassador to Serbia who has called for a referendum to decide the future of RS. That is bad news for the Federation! Maybe the US has now decided that they have given enough and it's now time for the Federation to make its own way. Only they just don't know how. Living on everybody else's hard earned cash was just lovely. How fortunate that when the Yugoslav coffers dried up the US and the EU stepped in. As for the Mladic montage. They must be spitting blood over being found out and discredited so quickly.

to Peggy
2009-06-12 16:29:36
Hi Peggy, You are right. There doesnt exist such a thing as a Kosovar nation. Kosovars are Albanians actually (whether this bothers you or not)
vjosa@birn

Bosnia sustainable?
2009-06-12 22:12:10
If most "Bosnians" want Bosnia to survive as a sovereign state, why not let them say so and organize a referendum on the break-up of the country? Would not an overwhelming vote against the break up of Bosnia be the best argument in favor of Bosnian patriots, such as Srecko? However, when recently Bosnian Serb politician Zivkovic suggested such a poll he was attacked and denounced by Bosniak politicians as a traitor trying to split Bosnia. Obviously, they suspect (or know) what all of us know (or suspect): that close to 50% if not more of Bosnians would be happy if Bosnia fell apart. So, the key question is - if 50% of population does not want the country to survive, does that country has a future? After all in the future we'll all be in the EU and it will make no difference if Pristina and Belgrade are in one country, just like it will make no difference if Sarajevo and Banja Luka are in the same country, right?


2009-06-14 16:54:14
Bosnia-Herzegovina will NOT be partitioned just like that. The Bosniaks will NOT sign away half of their country, especially not those who were forcibly driven away from the "RS" through ethnic cleansing and genocide. And they will NOT be subdued by the Serbs. The cross will NOT chase the Crescent out of Bosnia-Herzegovina! Next time around they will not be caught flat-footed and bare-handed. I call on ALL Bosnian Serbs who wish to live in a normal, functioning country which has normal relationships with all other European countries to seek reconciliation and forgiveness of the Bosniaks, because certainly the Bosniaks will not go away and much lwess quietly, and since I assume that the Bosnian Serbs will neither, then "You have to shake the hand which you can't chop off." Or do you insist in trying to chop it off?

2 pseudo-states going nowhere fast!
2009-06-15 18:05:39
blah, blah, blah, blah... ex-yugos must be amongst the most talkative people in the world! Bosnia is a frankenstein state; it shouldn't exist, but instead it should be sliced into three: a part to Serbia, a portion to Croatia and the rest made into a "Bosniak" homeland, for want of another word. Same people, language, descent, etc. etc., only a different religion -- Islam imported by the Ottoman conquerors, of course -- that led to different societal divisions and group culture! By extention, political expressions were corraled within religious/cultural borders after 1990, if not earlier. Kosovo: Dirt poor, land-locked, in the middle of nowhere, monstrous unemployment, lack of resources, prospects, etc. Only revenues come from whatever emigres' remittances, drug smuggling, weapons trafficking and other nefarious activities. Prognosis without being annexed: none! Divide it up, and get on with it!

vjosa@birn
2009-06-15 22:27:42
Kosovars are NOT all Albanian. Even as not so far back as WW2 there was around 50-50% Albanian and non Albanian (majority Serb). How then can "Kosovars" (an imaginary race) be Albanian only. One thing I agree with you is that there is no such race as Kosovars but they are NOT all Albanian. Perhaps majority now because you successfully expelled most of non Albanian population. Kosovo is Serbian territory and has been for a very, very long time with proof all around. Give us some evidence of Kosovo ever being Albanian beside your word naturally. Friend of Bosnia, Bosnia is not an Islamic country and that is exactly what you want it to be. No Serb or Croat will allow to be ruled by Muslims. You had that privilege during Turkish invasion, but it was invasion and invaders need to go once and for all. If you want Bosnia to remain one country, then give up your idea of Muslims like Silajdjic having control over the non Muslim population and allow return of non Muslims to Sarajevo. Ethnic cleansing went in all directions so stop being a hypocrite and only blame Serbs. Muslims have a lot to be ashamed of as well with people like Oric and Celo in your ranks so forget about any apology unless you are prepared to do the same.

My dear Friend...
2009-06-16 21:02:18
"...I call on ALL Bosnian Serbs who wish to live in a normal, functioning country which has normal relationships with all other European countries to seek reconciliation and forgiveness of the Bosniaks..." You must understand there are many B-Serb mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers who lost their daughters and sons, their children and their dearest by the B-Muslim hand. How could you even think, not to mentioned to call them in a loud voice to apologize to you and to seek your FORGIVENESS! They consider you as a murderer! To expect of victims to ask their murderers for forgiveness is an absurd thought. What about B-Muslim mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters? I have nothing but deepest respect for them and for their grief (unlike you with the respect to the B-Serbs mothers and fathers who lost their dearest). What is the solution? Let's face B-Serb mother who lost her son by Muslim hand, and B-Muslim mother who lost her son by B-Serb hand, and ask them - which one of you will be the first to ask for forgiveness? So, what do you think? Who will (not should) be first to ask for forgiveness? Neither! And you know that very well. So. there is no solution for the situation! Therefore Bosnia-Herzegovina is a doomed country. As long as you, B-Muslims, are not ready to face and deal with your past and with the crimes which were committed on your behalf by B-Muslim forces, there will be no future for Bosnia. But, somehow I seriously doubt you are ready to do that. To bad.

peggy
2009-06-17 12:35:08
Peggy, you contradict yourself. You talk about Bosnia as one country yet you want it partitioned. And as for "no Serb or Croat will be 'ruled' by Muslims", does that mean that Muslims are infrahuman? Or that Christians have the right to rule Muslims, or to fence them in, or to expel them??? Besides that, NO ONE is saying to the Sertb residents of Sarajevo to go away. And what if we "allow them to return"? (or better, encourage them to stay? Then you would say, Bosniaks have no right to "rule" the Serbs of Sarajevo. Do you mean to say, then the Serb army must come to liberate them???

Disrupting the balance
2009-06-18 14:52:45
Not a single B-Serb and B-Croat want to rule over B-Muslims. Full stop. Not a single B-Serb and B-Croat want to "fence" or expel any B-Muslim. Those statements are only lame tries to construct something which doesn't exists at all. Full stop. Not a single B-Serb and B-Croat doesn't have any ambition to return to Sarajevo which is almost 100% Muslim town now, although before the War there were about 250 000 native Serbs and Croats living in Sarajevo. And they were ethnically cleansed from it. Full stop. Only thing B-Serbs and B-Croats want is to live their lives, and let B-Muslims to live theirs. They don't want to have nothing to do with B-Muslims. And that balance is OK. Unfortunately, there is a small group of B-Muslim nationalists who are trying for 14 years now to crush that balance, by constant battle cries, saying that B-Muslims has every right to rule over towns of Mostar (B-Croats) and BaniaLuka (B-Serbs). Those B-Muslim nationalists ate the only one who constantly calling on arms.


2009-06-22 13:02:51
Forgive my enemies? But I don't have any. They are no longer around.

Hawk ...
2009-06-23 01:33:31
Dear Mr. Hawk, my dearest wish is to do to you like that Iraqi journalist did to Mr. George W. Bush, even if I had maybe a pair of $500 Guccis or Tod's on.

Balance???
2009-06-23 01:34:28
What balance are you talking about? THat imposed through ethnic cleansing and genocide?

Balance of the Past and the Future
2009-06-23 12:40:09
Yeah... I refer to the balance imposed by ethnocide, killings, rapes and ethnic cleansing of 150 000 B-Serbs and 60 000 B-Croats form Sarajevo, 100 000 B-Serbs and 40 000 B-Croats from Tuzla, 90 000 B-Serbs and 40 000 B-Croats from Bihac, 60 000 B-Serbs from Zenica etc... made by B-Muslim paramilitaries. Unfortunately, ss long as B-Muslims refuse to face their past, there is no future for the Bosnia-Herzegovina. On the other hand, your rhetoric seems fake if you are ready to waste 500$ shoe on me. Only filthy rich people could allow to lose such valuable shoes by throwing it on someone.

What proof do you have for your statements?
2009-06-24 11:18:16
THIS is all hearsay and propaganda lies. Bisniaks never did to Serbs the SAME crimes and to the same extent as Serbs did to Bosniaks. After all, 80% of the victims of the Bonsian war are civilians, as the RDC has conclusively proved.

Hawk the Bosniak-hater
2009-06-24 16:37:36
You can be assured that if I had the misfortune of meeting you in the street, I would throw my shoes at you no matter what, even if it were the only pair I had and I had to walk home barefoot.

Hawk the Bosniak-hater (2)
2009-06-24 16:45:39
From what you write I can plainly see that you hate all Bosniaks and everything connected with Islam, and that the only Bosniaks you would want to see left in Bosnia (which would then be a Serb province, and the Herzegovina a Croat one) would be, as Ratko Mladic put it, "a folkloric minority". In the same breath youz say that I hate all Serbs. Actually I am only giving you and other such luminaries of Mankind like that horrible woman who calls herself Peggy back a little of your hate, I'm holdibg, so to speak, a mirror up to your face, and if you don't like what you see, buddy, that's your problem.

Hawk the Bosniak-hater (3)
2009-06-26 00:40:13
Bah, why sould the Bosniak sapologize? For being there? And about your unreasonable demands for partitioning Bosnia or an independent "RS", go on, let them try it, they will not last one year. Besides that, with what are you going to force the Bosniaks? Honestly, with what? Military force? That did not work last time, it did not work in Croatia, it did not work in Kosovo and it wouldn't have worked in Bosnia either if the West had not stopped the Bosniaks from inflicting a total military defeat in "RS", to appease Milosevic and Putin. By a UN resolution, by a threat from Russia? They will not do that. But from the strategic, geopolitical, demographic and practical points of view, "RS" is indefensible anyway. Even the more reasonable ones among the Bosnian Serbs know that. They are more realistic than you, for you don't have kids there who must live and grow up in Bosnia, but they do. They are directly affected by the decisions of their leaders, who in turn see them only as bargaining chips (Biljana Plavsic said that even the death of half of the Serb population was an acceptable sacrifice to establish Greater Serbia. A wonderful example of a totally sick mind). Unfortunately, all too many still believe that the balije must be got rid of. But that did not quite work out that way last time, and there will be more balije around than ever. But it is no use discussing with the likes of you. You still say the Bosniaks are exactly as guilty, no less, than the Serb aggressors, and refuse to accept anything different. What Elie Wiesel said of discussing with Karadzic applies also to you. I will not attempt it further. Rather do something practical. But when you and those of your ilk write something particularly objectionable, I will be there to hold up a mirror to your face, and if you don't like your reflection, then that's yur problem.


2009-06-29 00:33:47
Incredibly, the more some unprintable subjects out there pronounce the Balkan baby as dead or moribund, the more it refuses to die.

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