Who Dares to Open Bosnia’s Pandora’s Box

Well, you are right about these illusions,'result-oriented' talks, agreements on byzantine scale and so on ... The problem is to amend some provisions of the BiH Constitution. I am not indicating by this that the further centralisation or decentralistion should be introduced. There are many other ways to force politicians to more efficient cooperation. The question which arises is how to amend the constitution. Shall the HR impose amendment(s) by decision and wait until the storm passes? Or keep on working on the political leaders and let them decide? Everybody in the EU has more important things to do then to meet with rather insignificant leaders from South-Eastern Europe and BiH may be facing a long term stagnation. The idea that 'we'll surely join the EU finally' means at the moment that Bosnian citizens (except those with HR or SR citizenship) will have to wait another long years. The politicians however, as you have mentioned it, do not necessary have to be keen on some reforms required by the EU. There is already enough work places for most of those engaged in politics.

Srecko, great article! I like how you highlighted the plight of Bosnian Croats and spoke of some of the illusions. It would be nice if you could list all the illusions on paper that way people could see what Bosnia really is, an international protectorate held together for the enrichment of a few. I my opinion Bosnia should become a loose confederation of states split among its constituent peoples the Bosniaks (Muslims), Croats and Serbs.

nice work, but also misguiding. First question to solve BiH problems, is auto-question: What do I want? And, this question and subject which ask this question is a medium of social change in Bosnia and Herzegovina. The truth lies there. Or, the Object will prevail. Object which is alienated from our purpose or really our relative needs. Thanks.

The only people who want to have anything to do with Bosniaks are Bosniaks. Croats and Serbs want to govern themselves. It's so obvioys. Why can't everyone just grasp that and work towards that goal? There cannot be peace and stability for as long as Sarajevo remains 90% Muslim. This is a constant reminder of ethnic cleansing by the Muslims to the other two groups. Why then should they allow themselves to be governmed by the very people who expelled them?

Srecko, you said it right. I have nothing to add to it, except that the guy who says Bosnia-Herzegovina should be split into ethnically-based statelets is actualy suggesting that the Bosniaks be fenced in and be ghettoized. And if only for that reason any such ideas must be rejected out of hand and all must be done to pervent this from happening. Btw it is very foolish of the Bosniak leaders to marginalize the Serbs and Croats (of course, excluding all who had a part in the aggression against Bosnia-Herzegovina). Bosnia split up into three ethnic statelets could not survive. The Croat and Serb entities would seek Anschluss to Croatia and Serbia proper, and the Bosniaks would be left in several disconnected, confined, landlocked enclaves, a real bantustan with no possibility of economic survival and no real political sovereignty. Many people wouold be prevented from returning to their pre-war homes, because before the war, Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats lived interspersed. Conditions in the Bosniak enclaves would be utterly squalid, people would depend on humanitarian aid forever, like the Palestinians, which would lead to some turning to terror out of despair - and then the Serbs and Croats would have a pretext to crush and exterminate the Bosniaks, have the cross chase the Crescent from the Balkans, "Finish the job" that Karadzic and Boban started, and sell this all as part of the "War against international terrorism", and complete genocide. Or at least to fence them in liek the Israelis are doing with the Palestinians. It would be utterly foolish of the Western leaders to create a new Palestinian conflict right in Europe, but unfortunately political leaders seldom folow common sense, logoc, or do the right thing, but most often follow preconceived ideas and expediency. WIth their new HR they may have a good man, but actually they are offering Bih just "more of the same". Then they can say "nothing has been achieved, it is not possible to deal withthose people, let's partition Bosnia and get over with it." Then the Dayton treaty will be null and voisd, and the Bosniaks have all the right in the world to prevent this execrtable thing from happening - by all and any means! So they should better prtepare for it!

The US definitely does not dare. Indeed they are all perpetuating an illusion of rebiulding a new Yugoslavia in BiH. Despite what the people want. Been there, done that. That is not going to happen, not after what happened in the 1990s. People need a way to express themselves ethnically, religiously, culturally and feel safe in doing so. What the West can do is help them find ways to do that peacefully. A federation may be the way.

Srecko, Illusions are really the secondary RESULT..but they aren't the problem. The big issue in BIH is a lack of leadership by both BIH politicians and also the international community. The current system does not help either, one that is clearly non-fuctional and corrupt. All of this has created a sense that people don't know what is going on..but don't be fooled, they do..its just the system and the lack of leadership. I don't think that most people believe any of those points you brought up. Not the internationals, not the BIH politicians, not the general public. The problem is that whether we discuss police reform, or any other subject, we are really coming at the issues in all the wrong ways. The solution IMO is something that has never been tried or done. The solution is not to discuss these issues on the basis of logic but on the basis of accepting each others fears. And to accept each others fears without any justifications. ie "you shouldn't feel that way" or "its wrong". To use an example, on the Bosniaks side, they legitimatley fear, have no respect, for the RS police due to the fact that to this day they employ people who committed war crimes. If that is a legit Bosniak concern, if its on top of their list..Serbs can make excuses "there is no reason to feel that way"..or you can understand it. The same way, Bosniaks have to listen to Serbs if their big fear is indeed centralization. (or whatever it may be) Stop justifying, no matter the logic, why they shouldn't..they just do, and justifying your answer wouldn't make a difference. And this is where people like Silajdzic and Dodik are toxic. They justify anything, without really wanting to negotiate.

So, in order to defend rights of Bosnian Muslims, it is perfectly OK to walk over rights of Bosnian Croats and Serbs (although Serbs are not mentioned in this article), and if possible do it ‘by all and any means’? That attitude combined with history of the region in the WW2 was exactly the reason why the whole bloody war started in the first place! What on earth gave you an impression that your views are ‘antifascist’?!

Things are rather complicated. Just suppose one would split the Federation - the most logical thing to do. This would raise the question what to do with the Bosnian Krajna with its Serb majority. The logical thing would be to add it to the RS, but one could expect the Bosniaks to ask for compensation - most probably in the Gorazde or Srebrenica area. And when they would make such a demand the Serbs might start to talk about Brcko. Alternatively the Bosniak state could keep the Krajna as a connection with Bihac, but that would evoke protests too. And then there is the question what to do with the Croat enclaves in the Bosniak-dominated part of the Federation... Etc. Etc. I believe there has to come a Croat entity, but it won't be easy. And it will be impossible to explain to most politicians in Washington and Western Europe. To Antifascist: Iceland has 300,000 inhabitants, Luxemburg has 500,000 and no sea border - yet both are very rich compared to the EU average. So what would be the problem with a Bosniak state with 2 milion inhabitants? Do you still believe the Izetbegovic propaganda that the Bosniaks need their own state and that that should be Bosnia as a whole - and sorry to the Croats and Serbs? I think the Federation should be split. That will at least make the Croats master of their own fate. It should be a simple split: the number of enclaves should be kept to a minimum. After that Bosnia should need a timeout - probably 10 years. After that period the Croats and the Serbs should be free to have a referendum on separation and union with Croatia resp. Serbia. I am not in favor of splitting up Bosnia. But the Bosniak politicians keep stubbornly refusing to make the necessary consessions to make Bosnia a viable state where all ethnicities feel at home, so I think the only thing that can bring them to their senses is the actual threat that of secession. The problem with the present situation is is that no side finds it acceptable: the Croats don't like their position in the Federation, the Bosniaks don't like Dayton and still long for a centralized Bosnia and the Serbs don't like the Bosniak pressure. Giving the Bosniaks their way won't solve the situation: the Serbs and the Croats will keep pressing for autonomy and given the situation in Sarajevo they may very well come under pressure to leave: a silent ethnic cleansing. So there is only one way to end the impasse and that is to give in to the Serbs and the Croats. I don't believe the Bantustan ideas of Antifascist. Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats speak the same language and have a long common history. Once the impasse has been solved people will find more time to concentrate on what they have in common.

OK, Yugoslavia was as artificial a country as Iraq, built up from the bankruptcy remains of the vanquished of WWI. And it could not survive, first because it went bankrupt and then because Milosevic wanted to build Greater Serbia. But Bosnia-Herzegovina is not an artificial country, it existed over 1200 years ago, its constituent people have always been Bosniaks, and if we have to go into religion, until the Ottoman conquest, mayn were Catholic, and the others belonged to the Bosnian Church, which was oppressed by the Catholics, as were several similar movements in Europe. And who wants to blame the Bosniaks for embracing Islam? And most Orthodox came to Bosnia in Ottoman times. Most people lived peacefully with their neighbors until some very malevolent people incited them to expel, murder, rape and rob their neighbors, or stand by mute as these things happened. Momcilo Krajisnik said it so in 1993 "Our objective is to kill Muslims until none remain who would want to live with the Serbs again!" That's where the ethnic hate comes from, and any partition of Bosnia would result in the Bosniaks being fenced in and made dependent pon humanitarian aid forever, ghettoized and surrounded from all sides by hostile people. Besisdes that, every Bosnian citizen has the right to live anywhere in Bosnia wher ehe likes. Those who were expelled have the right to return to their places. Say if we partition Bosnia among ethnic lines, where does that leave the Bosniaks living in Kozarac? Or the Croats from Vares? Or the Serbs of Drvar? they would then be on the wrong side of the border. Do they have to swear allegiance to the statelet they happen top live in? Or must they give up their homes forever? Has ethnic cleansing, as it was done between Turkey and Greece, and between India and Pakistan, led to good neighborly relations between these countries? Certainly not! besides that, is Serbia 100% Serb? Is Croatia 100% Croat? Is France 100% French? Is teh USA 100% white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant? Certainly they are not, and they never will be! If we apply the logic of these Serbofascists, all of mankind must then be living in enmity with most of the rest of it, all over the world, and even though in fact, there has always been more war than peace among the peolels of the world, people everywhree had to see that the "others" would not just go away, and they had to learn to live with them. But it is a fallacy that multi-ethnic, multi-religious countries can't exist and are artificial. Yes, they can come close to breaking up, as the American Civil War shows, but afterwards the Americans realized that it was so hideous that they never attempted such a thing again. And the Southerners hated the Yankeesd for so long, yet in the end they accepted the Union. Devolution in South Africa has not led to civil war and genocide. That the side who was victimn of genocide in Rwanda was the victor in the end has not meant extinctiopn of the others in Rwanda, but on the contrary, it is a much better place now. So all the arguments for partitioning the country have long since been refuted and shown for what they are, ideas of fascists, Islamophobes and genocidals. Not only would the evil booty of the genocide against the Bosniaks be legitimized, the Bosniaks would be fenced in like the Palestinians. The message to the world would be: genocide pays off nicely, Muslims have no rights whatsoever and are free game, fascism and racism are the gospel truth. Is that a world anyone would want to live in? No, better to have Bosnia-Herzegovina reunified, and it would become a much better place than it is now, and who says "We won't be ruled by Muslims!" the answer must be "You are free to go!" And anyopne who stands for ethnic or religious partition and ethnic cleansing is a Fascist and a criminal, as bad as Mladic, Karadzic, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler and all the other fascists, and I will call them that: Genocidal fascist MORONS! The day the Bosniaks will form the majority of the people in Bosnia-herzegovina (which is not so far off) it will become perfectly unaccepable to do what Karadzic and Boban wanted: to fence in the majority of the people into a few isolated, landlocked enclaves with no real prospect of political and economic independence, which make up about 22% of the territory of Bosnia-Herzegovina: And some European powers still seem more than eager to go with this plan to create a new Gaza Strip in Europe, and a new Palestinian conflict. And if they think the Bosniaks can be treated like that, and will go away quietly they are very wrong! And I will not have my intelligence insulted by the apologists of Greater Serbia with their already refuted ideas!

I call myself ANTIFASCIST, and rightly so, because all those who follow and admire Dr. Karadzic or Mate Boban and theior abominable ideas are fascists, and fascism is not an opinion, it's a crime and all who espouse fascist views are criminals. Those in Bosnia who do so, have forfeited all their rights, just as the Sudeten Germans did in 1945. And even if we go by the Dayton armistice, no "entity" or people has any right whatsoever to split Bosnia-Herzegovina. And by the same logic, the USA, India and many other countries should be partitioned too, right? What hypocrites you Serbofascists are. And yes, the Bosniaks have all the right in the world to defend themselves from being ghettoized! And why should they feel any "kinship" for people who, even though they speak the same language, only offered them humiliation, oppression, marginalization, exile, destruction, death? And I see you haven't read my posting. Because you don't address anything I say. You only respond with the automatic response of the Serbofascists when they come across an opinion contrary to their views. They bite back.

[quote]So there is only one way to end the impasse and that is to give in to the Serbs and the Croats.[/quote] actually, by about 2025, Bosniaks will be close to 70% of the pop. Serbs are leaving BIH in bigger numbers and so are Croats. And Bosniaks tend to have more kids.

Karadzic's and Boban's abominable ideas of Ethnic purity, first posrtulated by Dobrica Cosic about also exposed in Njegos' Gorski Vijenac are fascism in its purest sense. Who wants to live in a 100% ethnically pure country anyway? Only cowards and bigots. I am against such execrabkle ideas. I have no symopathy for racists or for Islamophobes. And as for why I'm against the partition of Bosnia, haven't you read what I have written? It seem snot, because else youd have addressedit. For you it seems to be perfectly normal to fence the Bosniaks in, because they are Muslims, right? And don't try to insult my intelligence by denying it!

I do believe that the Bosniaks would be fenced in, and that many would have to give up their places of oribgin, where their families have lived for over 500 years, foerever, because I know that the human nature favors evil The idea of fencing in the Bosniaks is completely unacceptable to me. It would send out a signal to Islamophobes everywhrer that Muslims are fair game. And that would concern me too. And then, when it comes to that, and they come to pack me away to a concentration camp like they did with the Jews in 1933-1945, let me assure you, I will not be led like a lamb to the slaughter.

Yes, I am against racism and ethnic segregation. I am against Islamophobia because if these people had their way, I would be made a second-class citizen in my own country too. If not for my religion then for my ancestry. So I have ALL the right in the world to call myself Antifascist, and to call all those fascists and bigots who espouse segregationist, racist, chauvinist ideas or who defends Karadzic's genocide or all and any such similar acts. And if it was up to me I would pursue them even beyond death. And let me tell you, you will not make me recant, not even if you threatened to kill me. I have already addressed the rights of the Serbs and Croats in Bosniua, they should be the same, no less and no more, than those of the Bosniaks, BUT NOT to be the master race, or to ghettoize the Bosniaks, not take their homes from them. In Foca, Srebrenica, Prijedor, Bosniaks have been living for over 500 years. Until such despicable creatures like Milan Lukic did the most hideous things to them to make them go away. Do you mean, they must give up claims to their ancestors' homes forever, and forget and forgive what was done to them? And that Serbia was invaded by the fascists in WWII does not automatically make its inhabitants antifascists. Quite the contrary is true. Many victims of fascism turn into worse fascists themselves. Just as in ancient Rome, the freed former slaves treated their own slaves worse than their former masters. The Israelis too try to subdue the Palestinians, and they use the Nazi Holocaust as a justification. So I think that I have more right to call myself antifascist than the Serbs do, and I will so for as long as I live. And I have never believed in "turning the other cheek"! Aaah, walk over the rights of the Serbs and Croats in Bosnia? But they have all the right to walk over the rights of the Bosniaks, right? and fence them in, don't they?? Ah, but in about 10 years, when the Bosniaks will be the absolute majority in Bosnia-Herzegovina, will the Serbs still try to fence them in? Will Europe still try to subdue them? Or wouldn't it be better to accept tzhem as they are? Then Bosnia will be the national state of the Bosniaks and of all others who live in it, just as Serbia is the national state of the Serbs and all others (Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Bosniaks) who live in it, and just like Montenegro has right now no problem with the (not negligible) Bosniak minority, nor do these want to split and join Bosnia. So why partition Bosnia?

You're fighting a losing battle. Bosnia is a mini Yugoslavia. Everyone knows it and that's why it won't last. You war and peace article is not going to convince anyone except the Muslims who are already of that mindset.

With all due respect, those commentators that believe that ethnic segregation will lead to peace in the Balkans are clearly deluding themselves. It is simply a fact that countries in the Balkans are fundamentally ethnically and religiously mixed. If ethnic segregation and the formation of ghetto-states were the way to go then we would end up with over a dozen ethnically pure mini-states that would be completely dependent of foreign aid and would constantly be at war with each other. How many countries would result from the hungarians, roma, and bosniaks in serbia wanting their own ethnically pure countries? How about Macedonia or Montenegro? How about Romania? Would any of these resulting countries be self-sustaining? Would these unsustainable mini-states be at peace with each other? What message would this send to the ethnically mixed African states (we could see the continent go from 50 to 500 states)? The only realsitic way to go is to encourage tolerance and to empower minorities so that they have access to all the same rights as the majorities in the countries as they are defined today. Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs need to be granted equal rights as Bosniaks and in return they need to actively participate in Bosnian politics and fight for Bosnia as their country instead of looking towards Belgrade or Zagreb for guidance. All Bosnians need to work towards creating a stable, politically inclusive, economically developed, and democratic Bosnian state that benefits all of its citizens. Those who can not tolerate a multi-ethnic Bosnian state need to consider moving out of the country since they clearly can not contribute to the country's future development as a multi-ethnic, multi-religious, inclusive, and democratic EU member state.

Bosniak Muslims are Islamized Slavs either by commodity or by force, as was the practice during the Ottoman empire. The Bosniak problem will be easily and immediately resolved when the Bosniaks will rediscover their roots and the Christian religion of their immediate ancestors. The same applies for the Albanians. Both operated as the mercenaries of the Turks and are in a way responsible for the long Turkish oppression and the ethnic hatred. Unfortunately, for the time being Bosniaks and Albanians are getting re-Islamized with the money of Saudi-Arabia and Turkey. For that reason, they should also be excluded from any EU membership.

I hope that balkaninsight.com isn't paying you to write this. 1. Sarajevo is still a multiethnic city but due to the major influx from the Sandzak region and the refugees from east Bosnia, the percentage of the Bosniak population has increased. So what? Does that mean that Serbs or Croats are not welcome? Nonsense. On the other hand you have not discussed the issue of the RS leaders who do not want to have a muslim judge in RS and are systematiclly blocking them. 2. Police reform, why was this mishandled? Yes most Western countries have decentralized police force, but all under 1 roof. Which is not the case in BiH. 3. School system, why are we separating childeren with different etnicities to be thought in separate classes? Bosniak, Croat and Srb childeren in the same school are separated and the only lesson they learn is how different they are from each other. 3. Why does not nobody ackknowledge that the Dayton agreement is discriminatoire for the nation peoples. If your not a Croat, Bosniak or Serb, you can't run for office in Bosnia, if you are jew or roma you are done for in BiH. This systeem also does not allow for a BiH citizen to declare themselves BOSNIAN! In which other country is this possible? 4. SIPA has been under attack all the time, and even you, Srecko, have taken the trouble to illude yourself that there might be a conspiracy at work in BiH against Dodik. It is obvious on whose side you are. The real pandora's box still needs to be opened.

sounds as if he's just been transported through time from the 16th century. Or from the time of the Crusades.

Ethnic cleansing and partition has NOT led to good neighborly relations between India and Pakistan, or between Greece and Turkey, or between Greek and Turkish Cypriots, quite the contrary, after partition these countries have for decades only met in a spirit of malice, mistrust and hatred. So to suggest "Let's partition Bosnia and we'll have peace and harmony" is false, hypocrite and criminal. Ethnic segregation and apartheid is fascism. Islamophobia too is Fascism. It is the good right of the Bosniaks to be Muslims; Why should they change their religion? Who talks like that has the ideas of the 16th century! Really, I've seldom heard so many negative and destructive people than the Islamophobes and Serbofascists who post here. Their ideas would make the Nazis proud! The Europe they suggest would not be worth living in, but I will not be run out of my country for my religion.

You claim that "Bosnia is a mini Yugoslavia". The exact same thing could be said for Serbia, Croatia, Macedonia, and Montenegro. All of the countries that constituted Yugoslavia (with the exception of Slovenia perhaps) are ethnically and religiously mixed in nature some more then others. The breakup of Yugoslavia did not change that, though the ethnic cleansing and genocide that took place in some of these countries did alter the ethnic/religious population distribution in those countries and shrank the population of some of these ethnic/religious groups due to fatalities and emigration. The only way for lasting peace to be established in the Balkans is by each of these multi-ethnic and multi-religious countries having policies that are tolerant, inclusive, and democratic in nature.

I just wonder where were you back in 1991., when ethnic segregation of former Yugoslavia started, to preach such fine sermons about love and unity? Where were you then to defend only true ethnically diverse country in the Balkans? Of course, nowhere. And suddenly, 20 years after, you're emerging with the fine preaching glorifying ethnic diversity. But not a word about ethnically pure Slovenia? Not a word about ethnically pure Croatia (who expelled 450 000 ethnic Serbs in 1995.), not a word about ethnically pure Kosovo with Albanians who ethnically cleansed more then 350 000 Serbs back in 1999.? What about 150 000 Serbs and Croats who lived in Sarajevo in 1992.? Where are they now? (not to mention Bihac, Tuzla, Konjic etc...) Where were you then to preach to the Muslims, Albanians and Slovenians against ethnic segregation? But the paramount of your ignorance is your last sentence: "...Those who can not tolerate a multi-ethnic Bosnian state NEED TO CONSIDER MOVING OUT?!?!? of the country since they clearly can not contribute to the country's future development as a multi-ethnic, multi-religious, inclusive, and democratic EU member state...". So... What is your point?! Suggesting Croats and Serbs to move out of Bosnia so it could become multi-ethnic, multi-religious country?!?! Bosnia Herzegovina without Serb and Croats will be ethnically pure Muslim country and as such will be a prime example of multi-ethnicity and multi-religious state?!?! Is that your point?! Give me a break! Go home and think little bit about what do you want to wright before you post. Even little children could not believe in your "wannabe" propaganda. Only sustainable solution for the Balkans is to create national states. Anyone who want to split from its state (or quasi-state), should be given the right to hold a referendum. After that there should be an International Conference where new borders should be established. Only after that Balkans nations will get a opportunity to try to give peace a chance, and to try to live side by side as good neighbors, letting time to heal the wounds. And about your observation regarding the MESSAGE to the African states... Albanians already sent them very good message... Beware of ethnic minorities in your country! They could wage the war against its State, and then UNILATERALLY declare independence! After that it is only the matter of how many states will recognize their UDI! But, in given time there would be enough recognitions for them to claim seat in UN, wouldn't it? Or maybe not?

Yes, you are so right. Ethnic cleansing and exchange of populations between Turkey and Greece after teh Treaty of Lausanne has not made for good neighborly relations between both countries. Ethnic cleansing and partition in India after independence has not brought good neighborly relations bertween India and Pakistan (they fought three bitter wars and still are on the verge of nuclear conflict). Ethnic cleansing and the partition of Cyprus have made it poorer (at on etime it was necessary to prevent the Cypriot Turks from being thrown into the sea), but finally the people are getting tired of it and are casutiously moving closer to each other. Even in North Ireland people are getting tired of the troubles, and if such firwebrands like Ian Paisley and Gerry Adams could get closer to each other, why not in Bosnia-Herzegovina? The Bosniaks will be the absolute majority in Bosnia in a scant few years. Then they can do as they please. But for their own good, and for all those non_muslims who feel as Bosnians and which must not be alienated, of course a unitary state with equal rights for all its citizens must be built. If it were not it would be as fascist as "RS" is. I hope the Bosnians realize that, and that there are leaders among them who will work towards this goal. But even if Bosnia is to join teh EU someday, it was teh Americans who first formulated what must be also true for Bosnia (and I see no contradiction with Islamic values here): "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." Time this applied to Bosnia-Herzegovina too, and it would set a wonderful precedent and example to the Muslim countries in general. And all those who are against it merit only despisal and contempt.

Your words will be viewed by the Muslims as hatred and racism. They don't want to hear the truth for truth does not serve them.

ED you have said it right. Maybe by 2018 which is not so far off the Bosniaks will be over 67% of the population. And many Serbs and Croats who are leaving Bosnia fr Serbia and Croatia proper are doing so not from Sarajevo but from the "RS" and from the Herzegovina(where there are almost no Bosniaks); so it's not the Bosniaks expelling them. Even though after the aggression of 1992-95 the Bosniaks can hardly be expected to welcome with open arms those who tried to expel and destroy them; And as for BiH being a "mini-Yugoslöavia" if this means it is an "artificial state" then this is utterly FALSE; If it means it has various ethnicities in it, well, so does Serbia. And Crfoatia. And France. And the USA. And Indis. And who would want to split these countries? What a vile, rotten, stupid idea. It must be dismissed for what it is: fascist prattle. ANd tghe Bo9sniaks will NEVER be rechristianized. Not after what Christians did to them! Who says that has 16th century ideas, and is an Islamophobe, and Islamophobes are fascists, criminals and despicable! Who gave you that idea? The Bosnian war was not about religion, but about GReater Serbia, Lebensraum, land grab.

Why must people in Bosnia be Croats, or Serbs, or Bosniaks? I understand fully about small nations need for independence and pride in their nationality (I am, after all, Scottish), but would it be completely impossible to consider forging a new, inclusive 'BOSNIAN' Nationality that encompassed all the people who lived there, regardless of their ethnic heritage? I have many friends whose parents and grandparents came from Pakistan or the Caribbean, but I'm happy that they consider themselves 'Scottish'. Why would it be so impossible to create something new and unqiuely Bosnian, instead of people living in Bosnia constantly defining themselves by other states?

Your post must be cynical or I didn't catch your drift. You say you're happy that your friends form Pakistan of Caribbean consider themselves as Scots. But why didn't you persuade them to fell as a English? Why are you renounce your nationality and became an Englishman? (in New York, maybe). So, start from your own back yard and persuade your fellow compatriots to became English, and persuade Irishmen to become English. And when you achieve that, then come back here and enlighten us how did you succeed to achieve that mission impossible. Until then stop preaching to the others to renounce their ancestors, history and heritage.

Your understanding of hystory is obviously myopic since you seem to forget what kind of Yugoslavia Serbofascists like Milosevic and his cronies wanted to create. After Serb fascists like Milosevic came to power it bame clear to the leaders of the other Yugoslav republics that Serbia wanted to dominate the federation and that it wanted to promote a Serbocentric policy. After Croatia and Slovenia left the union (in fact disbanding it) Bosnian leaders (and 66% of the population in the referendum) decided that Bosnia should not become a province of "Greater Serbia" ruled from Belgrade by Serbofascists like Milosevic. The Bosnian state was either to be an equal members of a full Yugoslavia (i.e. all six republics) or it was going to be an independent and sovereign country. Since Croatia and Slovenia made up their minds to leave for good Bosnia followed suit and declared its legitimate independence. The murders, rapes, creation of concentration camps, ethnic cleansing, and genocide committed by the Serb and Bosnian Serb fascist elements after the decleration of independence of Croatia and Bosnia were appaling and inhumane hence today's "shoked" Bosnian society in which former firends and neighbors distrust each other. The situation will imporve only if a new constitution is written that allows all of Bosnia's citizens to have equal rights on all of Bosnia's territory. The current constitution only cements fear, distrust, and ethnic segreggation. A new constitution needs to be written that will allow Bosnia to prosper as a stable, multi-ethnic, multi-religioius, fundamentally inclusive and democratic state that can join the EU and NATO.

I fully agree with your suggestion that all people in Bosnia should see themselves as Bosnians first and as members of an ethnic or religious group second, after all they are all fellow compatriots. Such a state of inclusiveness and bellonging to the nation will only be created if today's deeply segregatinist and dysfunctional constitution is changed so that Bosnian citizens of all ethnic groups and religions will feel that they are safe and protect on all of Bosnia's terriotry and that they have equal access to public and private benefits. After these fundamental constitutional errors have been fixed it will be much easier for people to start focusing on issues they have in common instead of dividing themselves and living in a state of fear. It will take time but hopefully such a Bosnian identity (which alrady exists) will be strenghtened and the number of Bosnian citizens who primarily identify themselves as Bosnians will increase.

You are so blinded with hatred against Serbs that I am fascinated. But, hey! This is a democratic world. We must be tolerant even to those who hate. Nevertheless I must explane to you what is your main problem. Your main problem is that your hatred is preventing you to see the reality. And the reality is simple: You cannot preserve Frankenstein state such is Bosnia by simple bureaucratic act of applying the "constitution"? Which constitution? One in which Serbs should be called serbo-fascists? One in which all those Croats and Serbs who don't want to be ruled by "Muslimocratic" government in Sarajevo, must (and I quote you): "...CONSIDER MOVING OUT OF BOSNIA..."?!?! (is that your definition of multi-ethnic, multi-religious and democratic society?) One which could not guarantee 150 000 Serbs and Croats who were ethnically cleansed by Muslims from Sarajevo, the safe return to their homes? Have you been to Sarajevo lately? Have you noticed that little girls must ware scarfs around their heads when they attend their kindergarten classes? Or, perhaps you thought more of the constitution in which Muslims will have their constitutional right to call Serbs as a genocidal nation, and in which Republic of Serbska should be referred to as a genocidal creature? As you can see, your defense is weak, lame and sad. My friendly advice to you: Live and let others to live. Don't impose to the others something they don't want. If B-Croats and B-Serbs don't want to live with Muslims, why Muslims are so eager to live together with Croats and Serbs?

When I said that the people (including Bosniaks) who do not want to see a mulit-ethnic, multi-religious, stable, inclusive, and democratic Bosnian state develop should leave I meant they should leave the country and go live somewhere where they will feel themselves more at home. I can't imagine why someone would be dead-set in their desire to despise people from ethnic or religious groups other then their own, but like you said people are free to believe in what they want however immoral or irrational it may appear to more enlightened members of society. You wrongly assume that all Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats are against having a multi-ethnic, multi-religious, stable, inclusive, and democratic Bosnian State. In fact I would say that the majority of Bosnian Serbs and Croats would actually support such a state being formed. You might have forgotten the fact that 66% of the Bosnian population voted in favor of such a state being formed in the 1992 referendum. The number would most likely have been higher had Serbs participated and not listened to Serbofascist war criminals like Radovan Karadzic and Slobodan Milosevic who told them to stay at home and forfeit their legitimate rights as Bosnian citizens. Your statements that Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats do not want to live with the Bosniaks would seem a bit presumptuous since you yourself are not an elected spokesperson for those groups. In fact nobody has shown these views to be substantiated. As far as I know these statements are simply propaganda used to propagate the erroneous idea that Bosnians can't peacefully live together. This view flies in the face of 1000 years of mostly peaceful coexistence between the members of Bosnia's many ethnic groups (just look at the peaceful atmosphere of mutual respect and support that existed between members of all the ethnic groups in the Bosnian republic in Yugoslavia). You also wrongly assume that Bosniaks want to rule over the Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats. The simple truth is that they have never actually ruled over them in the entire thousand-year old history of Bosnia. The Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats were disproportionately (in regard to their population numbers) represented in the elite political and economic spheres in the Yugoslav Bosnian Republic and they would have retained their rights after Bosnia's independence since no elected Bosniak politician ever called for the curtailment of their rights. But we didn't get a chance to find out did we? Karadzic and his cronies chose to pursue a Serbofascist policy of ethnic cleansing and genocide against their fellow Bosniaks and Bosnian Croat compatriots without trying to find a peaceful political solution (which would have been achievable since people were open to compromise in those days). They were opposed to Bosnia's independence but after Bosnia did become independent they could have peacefully fought to create a just Bosnian society which most Bosniak and Bosnian Croat politicians were advocating. The point is that the only alternative to having a multi-ethnic, multi-religious, inclusive, and democratic Bosnian state is one that is dysfunctional, segregated, isolated, and unstable. Having a violent conflict erupt would only be a matter of time and you can probably agree with me in believing that more senseless violence is the last thing the country needs. There needs to be an open invitation to all Bosnian citizens to work towards forming such a democratic state. It's formation would only be for their own good since having a peaceful, stable, and functioning Bosnian and Herzegovinian state would benefit all of its diverse citizens and help them lead better more productive lives as well as giving their children the opportunity to live in a healthy society quite different from the unhealthy society (full of hate, anger, distrust, and fear) that exists today.

As always you've said it better than me. Unfortunately, as you can read from the postings of characters like "Hawk" and such, they are filled with what can only be described as pathologic hate of Islam, Muslims, Bosniaks, of Bosnia, of all what is against Greater Serbia. What he said in his last posting is like a statement that Momcilo Krajisnik made in 1993 to the effect that the Bosnian Serbs would "kill Muslims until there are none more around who still would want to live with the Serbs". In that sense it seems they have failed, like in so many things they tried to achieve by genocide and terror. Now if there are Bosniaks who would hold out their hand to the Bosnian Serbs this shows that their forbearance is very great, their character is very noble and that it is they, Muslims who rather practice the precept the Christians claim as their own, to "forgive your enemies, and love thy neighbor." I have followed the events in Bosnia since 1992 very closely and even in the darkest hours there were Bosniaks who would not hate "the" Serbs. I knew then how noble Muslims really can be, and that I had done right in joining them. (and nothing will make me renounce the Faith, but that's not the point here. And of course I do not judge my friends or my enemies by their faith or ethnicity. Only by their deeds. And to that guy who suggested the Bosniaks should give up Islam and become Christians, I say that neither will I change my nationality because of my faith, nor my faith because of my nationality.) Now, such guys who spew such a visceral hate with such murderous rage are, unfortunately, only negative and destructive, and I feel that if their deeds match their words then they are dangerous and must be rendered harmless - by all and any means. That is very unfortunate, for I don't like bloodshed either, but eventually there will be no other way. And if their words really reflect the general ideas of the Serbs, well then a high the Serbs must really be sick or outright mental. If they don't well , then it would be better if these people kept their execrable ideas to themselves. Besides that, they are not only evil. Some of them are just plainly not very intelligent, and believe their own lies. Others are very devious and sly. They want to cast doubt on what was done to the Bosniaks (and to those Bosnian Serbs and Croats who stood by their Bosniak friends, for Bosnia. I know they exist, and that at least in Baljvina near Jajce they succeeded in chasing the Cetniks out.) so that the uninitiated and those who were too young might think "oh, who knows what really happened. They are all the same, and just as bad." Which is utterly false. That is why they keep repeating again and again the same Serbofascist propaganda lies which have long since been refuted. They apply Goebbels's tactic: lie. lie, lie, some time the lie will stick. And when their lies are refuted, they bite back. The fact is that all corpses unearthed from the mass graves in Bosnia, and all missing persons, are Bosniaks. Yet the Serbofascists speak of "tens of thousands of disappeared Serbs", or parrot Milivoje Ivanisevic's propaganda lie of the "3000 Serb victims of Srebrenica". They are the "scandalmongers and backbiters" mentioned in the Holy Qur'an. Of course no one can be expected to have much sympathy for such people, who when offered a hand refuse to unclench their fist. And quite often I feel personally insulted by them, as a Muslim and as a human being who wouldn't do anybody any harm. But, I will not be led like a lamb to the sleughter, and besides that, when they hurl abuse and invective at the Bosniaks, at the Muslims as such and at their faith, I feel personally insulted. I feel nothing but disgust, despisal and, yes, I'll admit it, hate for them. Because of their blind hate and visceral rage. And their sometimes (it can't be called otherwise) malevolent stupidity. I wonder how you can cope with it, because frankly I can't.

...it seems unlikely that Milorad Dodik will actually succeed in pulling through his crazy scheme of having a referendum on secession of the "RS" and its annexation to Serbia. Much less starting a military attack on the Bosniaks. Because he needs the situation as it is, to keep himself in power. And because like his commuinist counterparts of the past, it is only with this "Cold war-like" situation he can stay in power. I mean, the Warsaw Pact states had plans for the invasion of Western Europe, even had new street signs, occupation money, and black lists of which Western government officials to arrest and execute. But they were very cautious, they wanted victory, not war, and if they couldn't have victory, then try to preserve the status quo. That's why Brezhnev never actually would have launched that invasion, even though at times in the West we had the impression that if the invasion came, the Soviet armies would not stop until they had reached Gibraltar. But when Brezhnev did send out his troops - to Afghanistan - it was the beginning of the end of the Soviet Union. And actually, Dodik, or the likes of him, and his probably successors, are in the same situation Brezhnev was in. The West stood up to Brezhnev and his successors, and the Soviet Union collapsed, because it was not sustainable. So will "RS". Because the Bosniaks will be the absolute majority in Bosnia-Herzegovina, it's only a matter of time. And because a lot of Bosnian Serbs who loathe Bosnia-Herzegovina, are leaving. They are leaving the "RS", not the Federation. If it were true that Bosnian Serbs only meet harassment in the Federation , then this would be widely reported and trumpeted by the propagandists of Greater Serbia. So to say that Serbs and Croats have been ethnically cleansed from Sarajevo etc, are exaggerated or downright false. Besides that, if Sarajevo and its surroundings are today 90% Bosniak, well, the expelled Bosniaks from Foca, Prijedor, Banja Luka, Srebrenica etc. HAD to go someplace, didn't they? The point here is: the Bosniaks will be the absolute majority in Bosnia, and they love and cherish their homeland. So anyone who confronts them will have a tough stand. And we shall see whether Serbia proper would dare intervene militarily in Bosnia again. Well, not in the open, actually. No, like Brezhnev the Serbs will try to achieve their goals by subversion, or at least to keep the staus quo. But the status quo is unsustainable. Probably, a time will come when someone will lose their nerves, and for that moment the Bosniaks must be prepared to repel any aggression effectively. Sad but true. History does repeat itself, but as a farce. The Bosnian Serbs stand everything to lose. The Bosniaks (and all non-Muslims who would stand for a united Bosnia-Herzegovina) stand to gain everything. As Bojan Bajic pointed out (see www.bosnia/org.uk : "In favour of a new Serb policy for Bosnia" and "The Bosniaks' Bosnia Policy"), there is only one option for the Bosnian Serbs: to try and arrange themselves with the Bosniaks, or lose everything. Momcilo Krajsnik said in 1993: "We will kill Bosnaisk as long as there are any who would consider living in one state with the Serbs:" From what I gather, there are Bosniaks who see things realistically and would not have any problems to live with the Bosnian Serbs in one state - with those who don't have blood of Bosniaks on their hands, that is. Because the Bosniaks don't care for having a "100% ethnically pure state". So in this respect, like in others, Karadzic and his cronies have failed miserably. But then of course the Bosniaks must be ready to establish equal rights for all Bosnian citizens, regardless of ethnic or religious backlgrounds, for not to do so would be fascism. Now some defenders of Greater Serbioa will say "And what about those Serbs who were killed?" And to them I say: The life of a Bosnian Serb who was killed because he defended Bosnia-Herzegovina and his Bosniak friends or neighbors is worth more to me than that of a Chetnik soldier slain while he was commitzting aggression against Bosnia-herzegovina and the Bosniaks. For the latters the Bosniaks don't need to apologize. And the Bosniaks NEVER had the intention to carry out against the Bosnian Serbs that kind of genocidal crusade that Milosevic, Karadzic and Seselj conspired to commit, planned and ordered, which Dobrica Cosic, Seselj, Biljana Plavsic etc laid the ideological background down for, and which Mladic, Arkan, Milan and Sredoje Lukic, Dule Tadic etc. etc. executed. So there is a distinction between those who were killed because they were Bosniaks and Muslims, and those who were killed for trying to exterminate them. And as for those Serbs who hadn't doen anything wrong, well, when trying to justify what Serbs did to the Bosniaks the Serboffascists always say "in war terrible things happen, it's normal that people are killed or raped." Then I give it back to them: in war terrible things happen, so what are you crying about? As always, even though here I have tried to present things rationally, without drifting down into emotionality or hate, and to propose a just and equal solution, they will try to dismiss it all as nonsense, or just hurl invective and insult at me and say that I hate the Serbs. No, I only hate the Serbofascists. If their deeds match their words, then they are dangerous and must be rendered harmless - by all and any means, because 1.) what does one do with a mad dog? and 2.) it is better that a few are killed than letting them kill tens of thousands, like last time. And if their views indeed represent the majority views of the Serb people then the Serb people are really sick. As sick as Nazio germany and Imperial Japan was. And they must be cured - by the same means, so they will no longer represent a danger to their neighbors. And as for Russia helping them, well, last winter they turned the gas taps off on them. They let them literally out in the cold. So much for Serbia being Russia's little brother. Because Russia will not go to war over Serbia. So if the Bosniaks pondered their situation carefully they would arrive to the same conclusion. And if their leaders were responsible and not only interested in lining their pockets they would act accordingly. If they don't then the Bosnians (all those who stand for Bosnia-Herzegovina) should see that such leaders are elected that would do the following: offer all citizens of Bosnia-Herzegovina the chance of joining forces to create a non-segregated, democratic and egalitarian society. And to neutralize those who reject it and those who have tried and will try again to destroy it. And to the Sertbofascists and Islamophobes I say: all your rant won't avail neither you nor the people whom you support anything! Your comments are as malevolent as they are stupid.

Yet another two "War & Peace"-like posts. But, since this is my 4th attempt to post on the subject, I'll try to be brief as I can. If I couldn't get through now, I'll give up. First of all, in vain all your explanations like "When I said that, I meant this...". It just not holding the water. It just shows that you're either self-insecure in what you're talking about, or you are trying to hide something. If you have something to say - SAY IT LOUD AND CLEAR. Don't try to explain it afterwords. Second, I am very disappointed about your constant effort to counterfeit the facts. The number of 66% of Bosnia's voters (not a population) you mentioned, is not a number of those who voted in favor of dismembering of former Yugoslavia. This number is the number of those who showed up at the referendum polls. The number of those who voted in favor of dismembering is 87% of those who showed up - which makes about 53% of all Bosnian voters. Don't want to argue (at least for now), about "democratic principles of 50%+1 vote" and "the will of the majority". That's another subject and it is for some other posts. And the third and most important thing: Would you be kind to Carefully read my last post and the last post of the guy who call himself "antifascist", and please tell me: Do you rely think that B-Serbs should live alongside guys such as "antifascist"? FOR GOD'S SAKE, guy just openly admitted that he hate Serbs!!! (and that's my point all the way). So, when you say to me: "...You also wrongly assume that Bosniaks want to rule over the Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats....", after "antifascist's" written confession, your statement doesn't seem to be in any connection with the reality on the ground. I mean, maybe I was wrong assuming that Muslims want just to rule over B-Croats and B-Serbs. After what I red, it seemed to me it was more likely Bosniaks (such as this guy "antifascist"), were more in favor of ethnic cleansing of B-Serbs (if not B-Croats, too), or maybe something worse. (same as you when you say that those who are against unitary Bosnia should move out). So, as you can see, your attempt to introduce imposing of some kind of "Constitution", as a solution which is to resolve all Bosnian problems is just a lame excuse for introducing unitary Bosnia and "Muslimocratic" government in Sarajevo. As long as guys such as "antifascist" exist, Bosnia will never get the Chance! And since I suspect that guys such as he are many and will exist for a long, long, long time, the best solution for all the citizens of Bosnia, regardless of their nationality and religion, is separation. Just then all goodhearted people will get the real chance to get a grip on their everyday lives and try to build the better future for them and their children. As long as someone is trying to inflict unitary Bosnia, people will be submerged into politics, and will never get the chance to live better. And what's worse, pushing for unitary Bosnia could lead (God forbid) to another war, which "antifascist" covet - since he openly implying that in his posts. Like it or not, that's the reality.

So show me where I say I hate all the Serbs. I hate only the serbofascists, the Islamophobes, and rightly so. After all they did. And now they want to have their land grab legalized before international law. Fortunately the Dayton agreement does not allow for this. And a country where people like you have the say would not be worth living in. After all, you and that "peggy" always talk like Karadzic, Biljana Plavsic and Momcilo Krajisnik. And your hate will come back to you. It will not be the Bosniaks to start another war in Bosnia. Nevertheless, if Kenneth Galbraith admitted that it was a mistake on part of the USA not to allow the Bosniaks and Croats to inflict a total military defeat on the JNA alias VRS, then there must be some truth to it. If it were up to me, the Bosniaks will not attack "RS". After all, who wants more deaths, more bad blood, more destruction? But be led like lambs to the slaughter? Or be decimated and ghettoized? Never!

Only cowards and bigots would like to establish, or live in a 100% ethnically pure country. And everybody knows who in Bosnia-Herzegovina might want to establish that. After all the Bosniaks don't call their country "Bosniakistan"!

It's very hard to argue with someone who pretends he doesn’t know what he wrote in his last post. But, it’ll be my great pleasure to point you to the part of your post in which you openly admitted your hatred against Serbs. I quote you (pay close attention to the part in the capital letters): "...But, I will not be led like a lamb to the sleughter, and besides that, when they hurl abuse and invective at the Bosniaks, at the Muslims as such and at their faith, I feel personally insulted. I FEEL NOTHING BUT DISGUST, DESPISAL AND, YES, I'LL ADMIT IT, HATE FOR THEM. Because of their blind hate and visceral rage... I wonder how you can cope with it, because frankly I can't...." . Satisfied? Quote:"...Besides that, they are not ONLY EVIL. Some of them are just plainly not very intelligent..."! Who are they, which are not ONLY EVIL BUT STUPID? Serbs? If I understood you correctly, then kindly indulge us all and quote the difference between „good, suitable Serbs“ whom you don’t hate, and "bad, evil and stupid Serbofascists" you hate. Describe both kind of Serbs to us. But, please, do that from Muslim perspective, and please be very specific, since we all are eager to know how to immaculately tell the difference between „good, obedient Serb“ and „bad, evil serbofascist“. At the end, just one thing. One who puts such enormous effort to portrait himself as a lamb, like you do, is near very dangerous zone of pathology. Judging from your posts, I am much more in favor to see you as a Wolf, who’s desperately trying to fit himself into lamb’s skin, just waiting for the chance to jump out. And that’s your main problem. B-Serbs and B-Croats see you, and those like you, the same way. And in that fact lies the answer to the main question that bothers you: Why B-Serbs (and B-Croats) don’t want to live with you? They are very afraid of Wolfs.

To anyone with an average intelligence it should be clear without me having to waste my time in explaining it: "them" and "they" refers to the serbofascists, the chetniks, Mladic and his soldiers, Karadzic and the SDS, that foul-mouthed bigot who now wants to step into Karadzic's shoes, all those who deny, justify, belittle, relativize the genocide against the Bosniaks. Because if given the chance they woudl do it again. And all what is evil and bad about Mankind I see embodied in these, and if you want to count yopurself among them, please do. But I would be insulting all those Serbs who are not Islamophobes or fascists if I said they were equal to your kind. No, most are only misguided, just as the Germans and the Japanese were until 1945, and like them they must be taught.

In all your hate-dripping postings you parrot the abominable ideas and statements of Karadzic, Krajisnik and Biljana Plavsic. And yes, all I hate about Mankind I see embodied in these subjects and in all who followed and continue to follow them. They are like the Mongols who destroyed Baghdad in 1258. Like the Nazis in their blind crazy hate of Jews. Like the Chinese communists who destroy the Tibetans. Like the Taliban who killed Hazara adn Tajiks because they were diferent, and destroyed the Biuddhas of Bamiyan and priceless cultural heritage. They do not deserve to walk this Earth. But even the devil would not want to receive them in Hell. If you want to count yourself among them, please, do. It's people like that whom I mean by "they" and "them" when you have to quote me, you serbofascist moron. Do I have to explain it to you? Ah, but you don't want people like me and DefenderOfTruth to explain it to you. Yet since it seems your intellect is too short to understand that's why we have to explain it at length. What was that about me or the Bosniaks being the wolf? Do you mean that the Serbs can kill us with impunity, and be vinsdicated for it? And the Bosnian Serbs are afraid? well, all those

So my postings are too long? Barely half of a letter page. "War and Peace" indeed! What that says about the intellect of some people is clear enough. Was that short enough for you?

And they will not only lose "RS" there is no way they will get Kosovo back. Unless with an outright military invasion, and even if they had the power to try that again, I doubt they would dare, because this time they would get real kick-ass as compared with last time (to quote the late General Curtis LeMay: "bomb 'em back to the Stone Age"; not exactly the guy I sympathize most with, but here he'd got it right.) Don't count on Russia to come and bail you out; last winter they left you "out in the cold."

OK, Anti... you don't have to explain yourself anymore. You made your case perfectly clear to anyone who reads your posts. We all understood that you hate all Serbs from the bottom of your heart (as you have explained to us many times, using most abusive vocabulary you could come up with), except those two or three B-Serbs (if there are such) who are wiling to worship you as a semi-God who possess all the wisdom of the world, and who is the chosen one, and up to whom is to decide who is worth of living, and who is not. Well, actually you hate those Serbs too, but since you know that they worship you in such extent that they are ready to commit suicide on your command (and they are ought to, because your teaching is that Serbs are genocidal nation which is not worth living), you are willing to show your divine grace and mercy no living being can match to, and let them live BUT... only if they blindly obey and worship you. When you say they are dumb asses, they must agree. When you say they are genocidal maniacs, they must agree. When you say they're not worth the life of single Naser Oric or Juka Prazina, they must agree. Only then you are ready to show your divine mercy and let them live and breath in YOUR Bosnia. All the other Serbs who are not willing to worship you, and who are not ready to obey you and accept YOUR truth, are free to move out of YOUR Bosnia - and what's more, they must be grateful to your majesty, since you are willing let them just to move out of YOUR Bosnia, and not to kill them, despite your firm belief that there is not a single Serb who is worth walking on the face of the Earth. So, as you can see, we understood your point perfectly, so there is no need for you to continue to loose your nerves, time and resources, trying to explain something you already did. Therefore stop wasting your time and go and do something useful for you and your friends and family.

Your response to me only shows you are of the same kind as Karadzic and Momcilo Krajisnik. And like them you have no credibility whatsoever. And then the Serbofascists have done so much to endear themselves to the rest of the world. Essentially you say that ALL Serbs are Serbofascists and that therefore when I say I hate the Serbofascists, by the same logic I hate all the Serbs. Well, certainly I have no sympathy whatsoever for Serbs who are like you. But how do you think you can speak for all Serbs, also for those who reject Milosevic's Greater Serbia and genocidal ideas, or for those Serbs who would not betray their Bosniaks friends and neighbors. OK think what you will. See if I care. But people like you who deny or belittle the genocide against the Bosniaks would commit it again if given the chance. Better to render them harmless than letting them again kill tens of thousdands. And yes, if it were up to me I'd tell my Bosniak brethren; "Never again will genocide be committed against us; never agin shall we be led like lambs to the slaughter." And let me tell you one thing: there is only one way the Serbs can try to establish Greater Serbia, and they have already tried it, and they failed. I would very strongly adv8ise them not to try it again

Essentially I'm saying that non of the Serbs is fascist. /apart from a couple of minor groups which leaders are already apprehended and sentenced by Serbian courts/. Essentially I'm saying that despite of that fact, YOU HATE ALL SERBS. Essentially I'm saying that all those proven guilty of war crimes should be sentenced by the court of law. When I say "all those", I mean not only Serbs but B-Muslims, K-Albanians etc., who committed horrible war crimes, too. Essentially I'm saying that Bosnia is artificial country which will, sooner or later, split across the ethnic lines. (it is split already but the IC is holding it artificially together). And it is better for everyone, especially for B-Muslims that this official splitting happens sooner. Essentially I'm saying that B-Muslims don't have any reason to be afraid of B-Croats, and B-Serbs. There will be no war anymore (except if B-Muslims decide to start it - I hope not). B-Croats & B-Serbs will never attack any B-Muslims on the Muslim controlled territory. They'll never harm any B-Muslim, or anyone else on the territories controlled by them, if they behave themselves in the proper and civilized manner. Essentially, I'm saying that B-Croats and B-Serbs are very willing to offer to the B-Muslims peaceful coexistence. They follow old saying: Live and let live, and respect thy neighbor. On the other hand you are acting as a jealous husband who is facing with an inevitable divorce, and who's spouse want to leave him taking the dowry, and who is incapable to accept that fact. You are in denial, creating your imaginary world of "slaughter houses, Great Serbia's, Milosevic's, lambs, fascists, Karagic's, etc...", spitting insults on anyone who doesn't agree with you, calling them names, insulting them and spreading hatred all around you. Essentially I'm saying that you didn't like your spouse from the moment you met her, and you are willing to let her go, but... You are not willing to let her take her dowry. You are arguing that she didn't bring any dowry into the union. You claim that everything was yours. She is saying that she brought very rich dowry into the union and that she is not ready to let you take what is legally hers. If you want to take what's hers, you'll have to fight her. The choice is yours.

Your last little comment is just RS, er... BS.

Typical answer from a jealous husband who is freshly ran out of the arguments.

All right, all right, so Christians will not be "ruled" by Muslims. Well then, the Bosniaks will NOT give up their homeland. Spare me your lengthy explanations, if you didn't like mine or DefenderOf Truth's then why should I bother with yours? I will stand to my side if it's the last thing I do. Don't waste your time trying to sell your version to me.

Just to clarify one thing to you. This is not about me explaining something to you. This is about me explaining things to others who read this posts. Anyway, would like very much to know what is your definition of "Bosniaks homeland"? Does it include towns of Bania Luka, Pale, Belina, Treninie, Visegrad etc...?